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Diane Darcy ([personal profile] aeka) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2011-12-28 19:32

Catwoman #4

We learn a little bit more about Selina's past and are introduced to more people in her life. At best it appears as though the Frank Miller prostitute origin has been retconned out of continuity. So I guess one point for Winick?


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Heh, I don't know about anyone else, but I thought Selina looked a bit like Sailor Star Fighter in those last few panels.

Anyway, from the last few pages of Catwoman #4, an interview with the boys behind this book:

1. What do you love about writing/drawing these characters?

Judd: Catwoman is brilliant, damaged, sophisticated, crass, and a born survivor who also seems at times to have a death wish. The complexities leap her.

Guillem: I like lonely characters so I can focus on the body language, facial expressions, how he or she interacts with the background.

2. What is your favourite thing about your part in the New 52?

Guillem: It will be long remembered and I'm incredibly happy I got the chance to be a part of it. I feel I'm adding something to the character, putting a bit of my own vision of Catwoman in the book.

Judd: The fresh stories we get to tell, how we get to hit the ground running, and how we can welcome new readers. All the stories are open to EVERYONE.

3. Can you tease the villains they will be fighting in upcoming issues?

Judd: Well, Catwoman's a criminal, so her adversaries cross a few spectrums. She'll have a run-in with an ugly mobster named BONE, have a budding romance with a member of the Gotham Police Department, and OH YEAH--there's Batman!

Guillem: See Judd's answer. I just want some of the villains we have in the book to stay for a long time because they're great. I love Bone.

4. What new things are you doing with these characters?

Judd: We are getting back to the core of Selina Kyle. She is, first and foremost, a thief. She steals not to survive, but because she digs it.

5. How will you shock readers?

Guillem: Every issue I've drawn to date has a very strong surprise or cliffhanger at the end. I'm always shocked when I read Judd's scripts.

Judd: As of Catwoman #1, pardon the pun, but the cat's out of the bag on one of our MAJOR surprises--the Catwoman/Batman romance.

6. What is your favourite page in the first few issues and why?

Judd: Am I allowed to say ALL of them? If I HAVE to choose, it's page 3 of the first issue. Catwoman crashing out her window in a hail of gunfire, half in her costume, whip in one hand, cat carrier in the other. This says EVERYTHING about our book and Catwoman. Dangerous, sexy, and unexpected.

Guillem: Issue #1, page1. All started there. I hope it takes a long time to finish.

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2011-12-29 01:41 (UTC)(link)
betcha Gwen's a cop now
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[personal profile] rocketlindy 2011-12-29 02:51 (UTC)(link)
Hadn't thought of that, though it makes sense. I think it would be interesting if she were a cop, but not a very good one--like, maybe Selina figures it out right away, and is kinda friends with her anyway.

I should stop envisioning how I want this series to play out, because that's just setting my self up for disappointment.

Anyway.
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[personal profile] q99 2011-12-29 01:52 (UTC)(link)
-At best it appears as though the Frank Miller prostitute origin has been retconned out of continuity. So I guess one point for Winick?-

I hope so, never liked that one!
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[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 01:55 (UTC)(link)
am I the only one who likes Selina as a former sex worker?

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[personal profile] q99 2011-12-29 02:11 (UTC)(link)
I doubt the 'only' one... but most of her other origins click with me and that one doesn't.

I was introduced to her in B:tAS and that definitely played a role.

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[personal profile] eyz 2011-12-29 14:34 (UTC)(link)
I was ok with it.
Plus taking it out of continuity means taking out Holly too - which I luved very much. I miss Holly, even her short time as Catwoman!

So, boo to re-retconning that out..... :(

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[personal profile] saralakali 2011-12-29 18:32 (UTC)(link)
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I absolutely hate that origin for her. Regardless of how many people try to defend that origin and sex workers, the first impression that the average fan (not to mention the average non-fan) is that Selina is a hooker with all the nastiness that that word implies. This series has done absolutely nothing to dispel that image and in fact only throws gasoline on the flames.

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[personal profile] benicio127 2011-12-31 00:37 (UTC)(link)
Nope! I liked it as well -- moreso the Ed Brubaker run. Looooove that run.
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[personal profile] rocketlindy 2011-12-29 02:52 (UTC)(link)
I'm actually warming up to this series, though slowly. Hopefully Lola's death is a turning point towards a more introspective, less fetish-sex-kitten-ish Catwoman. Each issue has been a tiny bit better than the last, IIRC.
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[personal profile] benicio127 2011-12-31 01:03 (UTC)(link)
Lola's death has been... a very frustrating and problematic point in this series, imo. The art and continuous repetition of showing Lola's dead body (along with March's art -- why are Lola's clothes ripped up her thigh? It's this weird sexualization of a dead woman) have this very disturbing element. :|

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[personal profile] chipsnopotatoes 2011-12-29 19:20 (UTC)(link)
Me neither.

Rumor is the prostitute origin was done under an unfriendly editorial regime who sought to diminish her popularity by reimagining her as such (think Catholic Church & Mary Magdalene). Unfortunately for them, Batman Returns happened and the effect was just the opposite.


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[personal profile] q99 2011-12-30 01:08 (UTC)(link)
Whether or not that's true I gotta give Batman Returns props :)

[personal profile] darkknightjrk 2011-12-30 18:34 (UTC)(link)
Where did you hear that?

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[personal profile] maxisanacorn 2011-12-29 02:11 (UTC)(link)
I just want Darwyn Cooke's Catwoman. I just want it.
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[personal profile] eyz 2011-12-29 14:34 (UTC)(link)
I miss that excellent run too :(

[personal profile] darkknightjrk 2011-12-29 02:12 (UTC)(link)
"it appears as though the Frank Miller prostitute origin has been retconned out of continuity"

For one thing, I don't see anything that directly contradicts with Year One right now.

For another, she wasn't a prostitute in Year One. Look at her first appearance in that story when Bruce is in disguise in the East End--her demeanor, her clothing, the way she's addressing her client and the way he's replying--she's clearly a dominatrix. While that's in the realm of sex work, that's not the same as a prostitute.
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[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 02:17 (UTC)(link)
For another, she wasn't a prostitute in Year One. Look at her first appearance in that story when Bruce is in disguise in the East End--her demeanor, her clothing, the way she's addressing her client and the way he's replying--she's clearly a dominatrix. While that's in the realm of sex work, that's not the same as a prostitute.
What?

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I couldn't find a full page, but here's the gist of what I'm talking about:

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[personal profile] nezchan 2011-12-29 02:37 (UTC)(link)
I can't be the only one envisioning Phoney Bone as a gangster here.
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[personal profile] dejadrew 2011-12-29 08:01 (UTC)(link)
Motto! Which... would be bizarrely awesome....
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[personal profile] wonderwomanhero 2011-12-29 23:11 (UTC)(link)
Can you please stop it? Your comments are offensive...

[personal profile] saralakali 2011-12-30 00:54 (UTC)(link)
This was my first comment of two. Asking me to "stop it" because my comments will be offensive to you later is not appropriate

I'm sorry you find my comments offensive. I should think it pretty obvious that I find this series offensive. And I'm done with you.

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[personal profile] chipsnopotatoes 2011-12-31 04:59 (UTC)(link)
Marjorie Liu! Marjorie Liu! She would rock Selina. Have they announced what her next assignment is at Marvel? If not, now is the time to poach.