aeka: Art by Adam Hughes (Default)
Diane Darcy ([personal profile] aeka) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2011-12-28 07:32 pm

Catwoman #4

We learn a little bit more about Selina's past and are introduced to more people in her life. At best it appears as though the Frank Miller prostitute origin has been retconned out of continuity. So I guess one point for Winick?

Reload Image

Reload Image

Reload Image

Reload Image

Heh, I don't know about anyone else, but I thought Selina looked a bit like Sailor Star Fighter in those last few panels.

Anyway, from the last few pages of Catwoman #4, an interview with the boys behind this book:

1. What do you love about writing/drawing these characters?

Judd: Catwoman is brilliant, damaged, sophisticated, crass, and a born survivor who also seems at times to have a death wish. The complexities leap her.

Guillem: I like lonely characters so I can focus on the body language, facial expressions, how he or she interacts with the background.

2. What is your favourite thing about your part in the New 52?

Guillem: It will be long remembered and I'm incredibly happy I got the chance to be a part of it. I feel I'm adding something to the character, putting a bit of my own vision of Catwoman in the book.

Judd: The fresh stories we get to tell, how we get to hit the ground running, and how we can welcome new readers. All the stories are open to EVERYONE.

3. Can you tease the villains they will be fighting in upcoming issues?

Judd: Well, Catwoman's a criminal, so her adversaries cross a few spectrums. She'll have a run-in with an ugly mobster named BONE, have a budding romance with a member of the Gotham Police Department, and OH YEAH--there's Batman!

Guillem: See Judd's answer. I just want some of the villains we have in the book to stay for a long time because they're great. I love Bone.

4. What new things are you doing with these characters?

Judd: We are getting back to the core of Selina Kyle. She is, first and foremost, a thief. She steals not to survive, but because she digs it.

5. How will you shock readers?

Guillem: Every issue I've drawn to date has a very strong surprise or cliffhanger at the end. I'm always shocked when I read Judd's scripts.

Judd: As of Catwoman #1, pardon the pun, but the cat's out of the bag on one of our MAJOR surprises--the Catwoman/Batman romance.

6. What is your favourite page in the first few issues and why?

Judd: Am I allowed to say ALL of them? If I HAVE to choose, it's page 3 of the first issue. Catwoman crashing out her window in a hail of gunfire, half in her costume, whip in one hand, cat carrier in the other. This says EVERYTHING about our book and Catwoman. Dangerous, sexy, and unexpected.

Guillem: Issue #1, page1. All started there. I hope it takes a long time to finish.

salinea: (kinky)

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 01:55 am (UTC)(link)
am I the only one who likes Selina as a former sex worker?
salinea: (Default)

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 02:06 am (UTC)(link)
Ah, well. Okay. I didn't read the part written by Miller.
salinea: Emma Frost, sitting comfortably (chill)

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 02:20 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, but I just don't associate that origin with Miller - she's had a lot of stories written about her which includes that since.

(no subject)

[personal profile] salinea - 2011-12-29 02:34 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] omgwtflolbbqbye - 2011-12-29 10:12 (UTC) - Expand
q99: (Default)

[personal profile] q99 2011-12-29 02:11 am (UTC)(link)
I doubt the 'only' one... but most of her other origins click with me and that one doesn't.

I was introduced to her in B:tAS and that definitely played a role.
salinea: (sexy)

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
What are the other back-stories you find work better?
q99: (Default)

[personal profile] q99 2011-12-29 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
Earth-2 works for me well. She's a socialite (so in the same circles as Bruce Wayne, with the parallels there) in an abusive relation, leaves him and breaks into his vault to steal his valuable jewels as she goes, and finds she's gained a taste for the experience.

Or the Batman Returns one, where she's a loyal corporate type, finds a nasty secret from her boss, is betrayed and almost killed by him, and something snaps and she embraces a mentality almost 180 from her old, being an untethered and free like her cats.
salinea: (Default)

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
I remember the movie, yes, I don't think I like this one very much. The Earth-2 sounds... kind of so-so, but okay enough.
q99: (Default)

[personal profile] q99 2011-12-29 03:16 am (UTC)(link)
The thing I like about the E-2 one is: One, she's a thrillseeker. She doesn't steal money because she needed it or someone else needs it (though once she has it, sure, she'll help people with it), but because of the challenge and excitement of the theft. Two, her origin is directly tied into why she's a *thief*. The Miller one explains why she can fight, but it's like she just kinda fell into becoming the world's greatest thief, the origin feels like she should've become female Daredevil who patrolled one area of the city and fights crime rather than traveling the world and stealing diamonds. Finally, the social thing, lets her trade barbs with Bruce before they dance as Bat and Cat, which is something I always loved.

I'm always a fan of Bat villains being some sort of parallel/mirror to Batman too. Joker is chaos to Batman's law. Two-Face is the dichotomy of Bruce and Batman. And Catwoman (at least to start with in her villain days) is someone who has the freedom, excitement, and skills of being a masked vigilante but doing so purely for the thrill of it rather than to protect others.
q99: (Default)

[personal profile] q99 2011-12-29 02:55 am (UTC)(link)
One thing I like about the E-2 one is it clearly explains why she's a *thief*, since the cat burglar thing is such a large part of the concept.

The Miller origin, I get something of a disconnect.

"Hard life... I must train to protect myself and my friends... oh, there's Batman, what an inspiration... thief!"

Why she becomes a mask is obvious, but why she becomes the world's greatest jewel thief less-so.

(no subject)

[personal profile] q99 - 2011-12-29 03:06 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] jlbarnett - 2011-12-29 11:41 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] q99 - 2011-12-29 14:18 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] sistermagpie - 2011-12-29 20:18 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] q99 - 2011-12-30 01:10 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] whitesycamore - 2011-12-30 15:24 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] whitesycamore - 2011-12-30 17:52 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] benicio127 - 2011-12-31 00:46 (UTC) - Expand

(no subject)

[personal profile] benicio127 - 2011-12-31 03:02 (UTC) - Expand
schmevil: (Default)

[personal profile] schmevil 2011-12-30 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I've always liked the idea that we might not know her actual origin. Selina just making up stories about her origin, rather than telling the truth.
salinea: (Default)

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-30 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Interesting. But isn't that already The Joker's shtick?

(no subject)

[personal profile] salinea - 2011-12-30 22:48 (UTC) - Expand
eyz: (Default)

[personal profile] eyz 2011-12-29 02:34 pm (UTC)(link)
I was ok with it.
Plus taking it out of continuity means taking out Holly too - which I luved very much. I miss Holly, even her short time as Catwoman!

So, boo to re-retconning that out..... :(
salinea: Balder is unhappy (*D:*)

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 02:53 pm (UTC)(link)
OMG yes, Holy D: argh, fuck that reboot.

[personal profile] darkknightjrk 2011-12-30 06:33 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't see any reason why Holly has to be taken out--even IF the sex work stuff is taken out of continuity (which I'm still not convinced is the case), who's to say that Selina only had one friend in Holly?

I do hope we see Holly at some point--if not just so her last story doesn't have to be freaking Countdown.

(frozen comment)

[personal profile] saralakali 2011-12-29 06:32 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I can't speak for anyone else, but I absolutely hate that origin for her. Regardless of how many people try to defend that origin and sex workers, the first impression that the average fan (not to mention the average non-fan) is that Selina is a hooker with all the nastiness that that word implies. This series has done absolutely nothing to dispel that image and in fact only throws gasoline on the flames.

(frozen comment)

[personal profile] saralakali 2011-12-29 08:15 pm (UTC)(link)
Then you didn't really read my comment.

Stop trying to silence me.

(frozen comment)

[personal profile] whitesycamore 2011-12-29 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Did *you* read your comment? Stop trying to co-opt the concept of 'silencing' in order to dodge accountability.
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)

(frozen comment) Mod Note

[personal profile] salinea 2011-12-29 08:42 pm (UTC)(link)
Thread frozen, and under discussion by the Mod team.
benicio127: (Default)

[personal profile] benicio127 2011-12-31 12:37 am (UTC)(link)
Nope! I liked it as well -- moreso the Ed Brubaker run. Looooove that run.