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We learn a little bit more about Selina's past and are introduced to more people in her life. At best it appears as though the Frank Miller prostitute origin has been retconned out of continuity. So I guess one point for Winick?


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Heh, I don't know about anyone else, but I thought Selina looked a bit like Sailor Star Fighter in those last few panels.

Anyway, from the last few pages of Catwoman #4, an interview with the boys behind this book:

1. What do you love about writing/drawing these characters?

Judd: Catwoman is brilliant, damaged, sophisticated, crass, and a born survivor who also seems at times to have a death wish. The complexities leap her.

Guillem: I like lonely characters so I can focus on the body language, facial expressions, how he or she interacts with the background.

2. What is your favourite thing about your part in the New 52?

Guillem: It will be long remembered and I'm incredibly happy I got the chance to be a part of it. I feel I'm adding something to the character, putting a bit of my own vision of Catwoman in the book.

Judd: The fresh stories we get to tell, how we get to hit the ground running, and how we can welcome new readers. All the stories are open to EVERYONE.

3. Can you tease the villains they will be fighting in upcoming issues?

Judd: Well, Catwoman's a criminal, so her adversaries cross a few spectrums. She'll have a run-in with an ugly mobster named BONE, have a budding romance with a member of the Gotham Police Department, and OH YEAH--there's Batman!

Guillem: See Judd's answer. I just want some of the villains we have in the book to stay for a long time because they're great. I love Bone.

4. What new things are you doing with these characters?

Judd: We are getting back to the core of Selina Kyle. She is, first and foremost, a thief. She steals not to survive, but because she digs it.

5. How will you shock readers?

Guillem: Every issue I've drawn to date has a very strong surprise or cliffhanger at the end. I'm always shocked when I read Judd's scripts.

Judd: As of Catwoman #1, pardon the pun, but the cat's out of the bag on one of our MAJOR surprises--the Catwoman/Batman romance.

6. What is your favourite page in the first few issues and why?

Judd: Am I allowed to say ALL of them? If I HAVE to choose, it's page 3 of the first issue. Catwoman crashing out her window in a hail of gunfire, half in her costume, whip in one hand, cat carrier in the other. This says EVERYTHING about our book and Catwoman. Dangerous, sexy, and unexpected.

Guillem: Issue #1, page1. All started there. I hope it takes a long time to finish.

Date: 2011-12-29 02:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
"it appears as though the Frank Miller prostitute origin has been retconned out of continuity"

For one thing, I don't see anything that directly contradicts with Year One right now.

For another, she wasn't a prostitute in Year One. Look at her first appearance in that story when Bruce is in disguise in the East End--her demeanor, her clothing, the way she's addressing her client and the way he's replying--she's clearly a dominatrix. While that's in the realm of sex work, that's not the same as a prostitute.

Date: 2011-12-29 02:17 am (UTC)
salinea: Subaru is confused (*???*)
From: [personal profile] salinea
For another, she wasn't a prostitute in Year One. Look at her first appearance in that story when Bruce is in disguise in the East End--her demeanor, her clothing, the way she's addressing her client and the way he's replying--she's clearly a dominatrix. While that's in the realm of sex work, that's not the same as a prostitute.
What?

Date: 2011-12-29 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I couldn't find a full page, but here's the gist of what I'm talking about:

Date: 2011-12-29 02:26 am (UTC)
salinea: Balalaika is rendered speechless ("...")
From: [personal profile] salinea
That's not...

What i don't get is your "Selina wasn't a prostitute because she was a dominatrix" thing.

Date: 2011-12-29 02:31 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
The big difference, from what I understand, is that dominatrices (I think that's the plural for that) typically don't exchange in intercourse with their client. It's literally just whipping, beating, and humiliating the client for their pleasure. Again, it's typically grouped in with sex work, but it is of a different vein.

Date: 2011-12-29 02:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salinea
I am frankly very ill at ease by the fact so many people use this (which may or may not be true of Femdom sex worker, I assume it might depends from people to peopel, really) to distantiate their vision of Selina from the vision they have of a prostitute. It's like they think that having intercourse for money is lowly and degrading in a way that D/s for money isn't - which is both a rather narrow vision of what sex is, and derogatory to sex workers who do have intercourse.

Date: 2011-12-29 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
That definitely wasn't my intent to say one is more "lowly" than the other--my feeling is that the only thing that makes it degrading comes from the efforts of our lawmakers to make it illegal and crack down on it. I just think there's enough differences to make that distinction.

Date: 2011-12-29 02:52 am (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
okay.

Date: 2011-12-29 02:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] rocketlindy
While it's icky when people try to "defend" the origin by making out like being a dominatrix is somehow "better" than other kinds of sex work, I think that it does make more sense for the character (more sense, not lots of sense.)

Headcanon says that Selina just likes shiny things and thrills. I like to have characters without so much Freudian baggage.

Date: 2011-12-30 06:38 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Like I said, I wasn't trying to make it that one is better than the other--just that there are differences in terms of the dynamics of the acts.

And I don't think of it as so much Freudian baggage and more shaping her more to be a dark mirror of Bruce. In a lot of ways, she represents both the good and the bad that came from Batman appearing in Gotham City.

Date: 2011-12-29 05:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
I always thought of it more as people clarifying what exactly she did. Like, if you were a hostess at a restaurant and someone referred to your job as a waitress, you'd correct them. It's not denigration, just clarification.

Date: 2011-12-29 05:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salinea
Point.

Date: 2011-12-29 04:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] katya
This. I've known a good number of women in the sex industry and they are damn proud of what they do. They don't take kindly to being called a prostitute if they're really a dominatrix, and they don't like women who perform sex acts for money trying to claim that they're strippers instead of prostitutes.

It's like, I work as a nanny and some families will use the words "nanny" and "babysitter" interchangeably, and that pisses off a lot of nannies because it's not the same thing.

Date: 2011-12-29 05:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
It's like, I work as a nanny and some families will use the words "nanny" and "babysitter" interchangeably, and that pisses off a lot of nannies because it's not the same thing.

The main difference is that nannies sing beautifully/have magic powers, right? ;D

I'm still waiting for popular culture to realise that a professional dominatrix and a woman who happens to have a dominant sexuality are not interchangeable, and will generally not behave the same way in the bedroom.

For anyone who's still confused - one of them performs dominance in a way designed to satisfy male desires in exchange for financial reward, and the other engages in dominant behaviour/fantasies in order to get *herself* off. Some women may do both, but sex and sex *work* are still not the same thing.



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