scans_daily: A villain armed with the Shield of Cher

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@ 2011-12-29 10:14 pm UTC

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char: supergirl/kara zor-el, creator: kelley puckett, creator: ron randall, title: supergirl

A villain armed with the Shield of Cher

I've been reading through some of the previous run on Supergirl, going back on the bits that I missed. I know that the first few issues were dreadful, with the hangover from Superman/Batman, then there was nonsense with Kara being a quilled assassin from Krypton, then at some point it became good. I've read through the Resurrection Man/Supergirl vs. the Terminally ill boy arc (containing issue #32, which this story is from), which was a bit grim, but with some good moments. Is there anything further back that's worth reading, or have I gone back as far as I reasonably can?

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We're now 50 years in the future, and Supergirl is still calling herself Supergirl, which is a bit disappointing. She does have a nice new uniform though.

The story here is that Supergirl has got herself a bunch of soldiers and they're teaming up against Dolok, a time-travelling superbaddy. His power comes from a device built into his armour and he makes short work of Supergirl and her team, strapping a Kryptonite collar on her.

And because he's a time-traveller, he knows how to escape

Yep, Kara waited in space for Dolok for a decade. That's pretty badass

*a point to the person who can tell me which film this song is an integral part of

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icon_uk
2011-12-30 01:59 am UTC (link)

Time travel is always a touchy subject, but... what the hell was that supposed to be about?

Are we supposed to believe she hung around in empty space for at least thirty years (not ten, since she also punched him thirty years ago) on the off chance someone she apparently wouldn't meet for years to come (and whom she would have no reason to punch) would show up there?

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	no subject rainspirit 2011-12-30 03:13 am UTC (link)
	She may have relayed messages to herself before-hand, to her past selves. Telling them when he was likely to appear? Which would make her... a Supergirl with Batman-levels of prep time. Kind of a scary concept. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 16 comments) (Show 16 comments)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2011-12-30 04:22 am UTC (link)
	She WAS trained by Bruce, after all. And trained in diplomacy and warfare by Diana. AND learned compassion and empathy from Clark. AND is a scientific genius trained by the Kryptonian Science Guild. Let's face it, if this version of Kara were ever allowed to mature, she'd be Kara Sue-El. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-12-30 08:53 am UTC (link)
	But how would she send messages to herself back through time, unless she has time-travel abilities of her own which, IIRC, this iteration of Supergirl doesn't have? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 14 comments) (Show 14 comments)

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korvar
2011-12-30 09:57 am UTC (link)

She makes the plan, picks her spot, waits 30 years. Her plans success is verified by the bad guy appearing (punch punch).

Then, she uses strategy and cunning (trained by Batman, remember?) to manoeuvre Dolok into a confrontation near enough to her chosen spot that her super-senses will pick him up.

Provoke him into going back in time. Bask in warm memories of punching.

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	no subject icon_uk 2011-12-30 10:06 am UTC (link)
	And ponder the last bloody thirty years she's spent floating in an empty space doing bugger all but wait for one guy to show up? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

	no subject korvar 2011-12-30 10:09 am UTC (link)
	She took some knitting along. She's fine. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject bariman 2011-12-30 11:49 am UTC (link)
	If she got his gadget the first time she punched him (the last time he jumped), it would have records of each of his time jumps. So she could just wait at those moments and spend the rest of the time on other things. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-12-30 09:40 pm UTC (link)
	That's a nice idea, provided she was in the right place at the right time to punch a complete stranger out for no reason she would yet be aware of and steal his time travel device which she'd never seen before. Steven Moffat can pull this sort of story off (most of the time), but I don't think this can. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject jlbarnett 2011-12-30 01:10 pm UTC (link)
	I'd say it's temporal paradox. She knew to wait their because her future self told her to, and her future self told her to because she'd waited there. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-12-30 01:19 pm UTC (link)
	But that's my point, her future self has no way of telling her past self, as Supergirl can't time travel. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject jlbarnett 2011-12-30 10:38 pm UTC (link)
	she can once she acquires this guy's time travel device. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-12-30 11:02 pm UTC (link)
	And how would she get it without randomly assaulting a guy she's never met, who has an agenda she has no clue about (because it hasn't happened yet) and stealing his tech without any reason? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject jlbarnett 2011-12-30 11:49 pm UTC (link)
	because the day before she assaulted him a future version of her appeared to her and told her she'd acquired a device that allowed time travel and this was the way she got it. Effect predates cause is this sort of thing (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-12-30 11:59 pm UTC (link)
	That's the best explanation so far, but then she wouldn't need to hang around in space for thirty years, she could just show up for the actual points in time and leave immediately thereafter. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2011-12-30 05:22 pm UTC (link)
	Well she has been to 2 different versions of the 31st century. It would all be a matter of historical record by then. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2011-12-30 11:03 pm UTC (link)
	Depends when the splitting-point of those futures is I suppose. (Plus the Supers have tended to avoid learning about their own futures when travelling into the future) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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lieut_kettch
2011-12-31 05:58 am UTC (link)

With Legion-Prime, she might not have needed to search historical records. IIRC, she never realized that she was in a different universe. She might have just browsed through Tinya's longboxes and read about herself. Would've been weird though if she ever read about her pre-Crisis self and her death in CoIE. Or read the "Many Happy Returns" arc by He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named.

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