Ultimate Jane Foster

[hero_of_lallor]

For stubbleupdate who can't remember Jane appearing before

Jane first appears in Ultimates 2 #2 where Mark Millar kind of uses her as a Gnostic Mary Magdalene figure to Thor's Jesus and we are meant to contrast her with how the other 'disciples' just don't understand what Thor represents.

Ultimates 2 #2: 5/25 pgs











Ultimates 2 #4- 4/22 pgs









Ultimates 2 #5-



And then Loeb starts on the Ultimates. Jane disappears completely in favour Valkyrie. This seems to have irked Mark Millar considerably who brought her back again in Ultimate Avengers vs Ultimates with no mention of Valkyrie or that whole episode at all.

Ultimate Avengers vs Ultimates #4





The scene has no relevance to the plot at all but Millar is making a point especially by saying 'it just seems so out of character'. Considering how 616 Jane has been bashed about at Marvel, good on Mark Millar for telling everyone how its going to be.

Bonus Marvel 1985 by Mark Millar because its here I get the feeling he is a significant Jane-ite.

Marvel 1985 is basically about the average reader becoming a part of the Marvel universe. It focuses on a father and son whose lives are falling apart when the fantasy they read about starts to bleed through. So the father grew up had a crush on Nurse Jane when he was young because her uniform was hot, he grew up to marry a police woman who shares a striking resemblance to her.



When his son grows up to write comics he gives his father his happily ever after

Comments

[stubbleupdate]

Wow, Millar's Thor is obnoxious

[rainspirit]

What's obnoxious about him?

[stubbleupdate]

It's difficult to put into words. His tone here just seems to be lecturing Jane. He feels condescending, not to her, but to everybody else that he's speaking about. I can't read it without imagining him rolling his eyes at the end of every panel

[jlbarnett]

He thinks he knows everything so anyone who disagrees with him is obviously stupid or crazy it seems like

[arilou_skiff]

Are you saying he has delusions of... Godhood?

[filthysize]

Well, that's pretty much the idea, I think. Ultimates, in the second volume, especially, became more a political satire than anything. Cap and Thor in this book were turned into archetypal political ideas. So Thor's as much of the "um, duh, of course I drive an electric car" smug liberal celebrity activist stereotype as Cap is the "man up, you pot-smoking sissies" bootstrap heartland W.A.S.P conservative stereotype. Millar's trademark nothing-is-subtle dialogue just amplifies these characterizations.

[rainspirit]

Maybe I find him less obnoxious because I find myself mostly agreeing with what he's saying. At least for his time during the Bush era.

He's in the position to know shit, he's trying to save the world, so being assertive about his stances on that level is... kind of expected. I tried reading how you were looking through it, but I don't think I got the sarcastic "eyeroll" subtext from even three panels.

That said, Ult Thor has been and was a bit of a blowhard sometimes, and displayed a startling lack of tact when it came to explaining about Asgard and his brother. So what does that say about the comic that he was easily the most likeable hero on the team, next to Hawkeye before his family got buried?

[akodo_rokku]

Millar's EVERYTHING is obnoxious.

[halloweenjack]

Almost everyone in V.2 Ultimates is obnoxious. It's Millar's fallback position.