scans_daily: When Cass was Batgirl and Steph was Robin...

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@ 2012-01-03 11:05 pm UTC

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char: black bat/batgirl/cassandra cain, char: penguin/oswald cobblepot, char: spoiler/batgirl/robin/steph brown, title: batgirl

When Cass was Batgirl and Steph was Robin...

From Batgirl 53
Cass is out disrupting an illegal arms deal on the streets of Gotham, when it suddenly takes a turn for the unexpected.

Luckily Batman sends a temp to go and help out Cass,

Cass: Steph... your hair is HUGE!

Thus begins one of the few times Cass and Steph teamed up professionally that didn't have Bruce tell them not to, hooray!

Of course it was heavily implied after Batman fired her, that Bruce only gave Steph the job to make Tim jealous, and make him return to the job that he'd retired from at his father's request. Oh well.

They find that the Penguin was the one who was selling the superguns to gangs around the city, and has been using one of his henchmen's five year old daugther to transport them, on the basis that people won't expect a child of smuggling guns. Well, this WAS the guy who had a side operation of farming the unwanted babies of teenage mothers over in Broken City, so it shouldn't really be that suprising.

Another weakness of Cass' rears it's ugly head: a lack of people skills!

Steph and Cass go to get Oswald, and Steph gets speach-a-fying,

This was the first of two team-ups they had while Steph was Robin (though there might have been more in flashback if Steph's series had been allowed to progress *bitter*), and they only met briefly once more before Steph died in War Games. *sigh*

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	no subject auggie18 2012-01-04 12:18 am UTC (link)
	...why did they make Steph's hair so big when she became Robin? I like the fact that they had her pull it back, but there's just so much of it. (Surprised Bruce didn't make her dye it.) (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject espanolbot 2012-01-04 01:52 am UTC (link)
	To draw people's eye away from the skirt? Dunno, I just think that it's an awesome feature that makes her character design more memorable beyond it just being a genderflipped version of Tim, Jason or Dick's outfit. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject eyz 2012-01-04 09:01 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, it was simply part of her awesome unique Robin design^^ Loved it! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject lieut_kettch 2012-01-04 03:30 am UTC (link)
	No-Prize answer: It's a Kate Kane-style wig that comes off easily if grabbed in combat. And Bruce didn't make her dye her hair because it'd take more than hairdye to make Steph into a tiny clone of his (which he can then put inside of him, from largest to smallest). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject junipepper 2012-01-05 12:45 am UTC (link)
	Bat-matryoshkas. nods Very important. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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icon_uk
2012-01-04 10:40 am UTC (link)

That'd be because of Waynetech's patented head-protecting haircare products.

"Cowl and Shoulders" shampoo and conditioner makes hair fluffy, pettable and able to withstand impacts better than a crash helmet (It also prevents dandruff), but as Steph discovered, it has unfortunate volumising side-effects when used on blonde hair.

Why else do you think all his other Robin's had black hair?

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	no subject aeka 2012-01-04 02:01 am UTC (link)
	Heh. Now I'm thinking there needs to be a 'Batgirl and Robin' book starring these two. But alas, this is DC and we can't have nice things. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

	no subject anothermoviegeek 2012-01-04 02:43 am UTC (link)
	Or even a Black Bat and Spoiler book would be awesome. But seeing as the lost issue of Steph in Batman Inc got pushed into the recent "Leviathan Strikes" and was clearly labeled as "This takes place before Flashpoint" I doubt we will ever see Steph again. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject aeka 2012-01-04 02:51 am UTC (link)
	I would totally read a Black Bat and Spoiler book. Also wasn't it confirmed a while back that Steph still exists in DCnU? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject anothermoviegeek 2012-01-04 02:54 am UTC (link)
	No amount of any confirmation will ever convince me (I am a bit bitter about Barbara back.) I will believe it when I have an issue in my hand with Steph on the cover. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject fiddlingfrog.livejournal.com 2012-01-04 03:47 am UTC (link)
	http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CoversAlwaysLie (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject littlepunkryo 2012-01-04 05:13 am UTC (link)
	A lot of people have said they'd read that book. I wish DC would TRY it, at least. They might be surprised at how it does, and even if it fails, at least they tried :/ (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject q99 2012-01-04 01:13 pm UTC (link)
	I think they were disappointed by the Spoiler & Robin (Tim) special that brought her back. It did find, mind you, but it didn't make a huge splash. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject aeka 2012-01-04 02:33 pm UTC (link)
	Considering how successful Batgirl was with both Cass and Steph leading the book, I don't see why it can't be done. Both characters are really popular with fans and a book starring those two I think would be just as successful, if not more. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject jaybee3 2012-01-04 06:21 am UTC (link)
	I would not only read a Black Bat & Spoiler book but I would read (aka BUY) before any of the other Bat-books currently headlined by all the male Robins. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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aeka
2012-01-04 02:48 pm UTC (link)

I feel the same way. Nothing against any of the Robins, but aside from Jason who's sort of the wildcard of the group, I never really found the Robins interesting enough as characters for me to invest in any of their books. At best, I'll give RHATO a try when another team comes in and actually does ALL of the characters justice, and I liked the Batman and Robin title better when Dick and Damian were the dynamic duo since they actually brought something new and different to the table. But that's as far as my 'Robins' support goes. :/

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	no subject raisedbymoogles 2012-01-04 04:24 am UTC (link)
	I doubt we will ever see Steph again. See, this is why I don't buy comics. Because they keep coming up with awesome stuff like good solid female heroes, and then deep-sixing them. I'll stick with fanfic. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject ar_feiniel 2012-01-04 04:30 am UTC (link)
	I would so read a book with Steph and Cass. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject littlepunkryo 2012-01-04 05:13 am UTC (link)
	The panel of the two of them flying through the air together is great! (Reply to this)

	no subject pyrotwilight 2012-01-04 06:01 am UTC (link)
	And then Stephanie came back to work for Oswald as Spoiler when the batclan thought she was dead. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject runespoor 2012-01-04 09:28 am UTC (link)
	Psh, that's like the thing where she turns invisible: that never happened. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 6 comments) (Show 6 comments)

	no subject mrstatham 2012-01-04 02:38 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah.. No-one acknowledges Gotham Underground even remotely anymore. I don't think the joke of a villain helped much. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-01-04 04:31 pm UTC (link)
	It's a shame because there is surely an impressive story to be told about the Gotham Underworld, but GU certainly wasn't it. Something akin to Gotham Central but from the criminals POV. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

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mrstatham
2012-01-04 04:37 pm UTC (link)

I think it's difficult because the notion of a criminal underworld in Gotham, at least to me, feels a little odd in a world of flamboyant criminals like the Joker who very often operate out in the open, and stories like The Long Halloween and Dark Victory pretty much blatantly state that the freaks have overtaken organised crime in Gotham.

But I'm fairly certain a skilled writer like Rucka or even the current BOP writer could craft an interesting crime story about the criminals like Penguin or Two Face, who operate in a more standard manner, usually, than someone like Joker.

Gotham Underground was just awful, though, and ticked off a whole bunch of cliches, including the standard 'new bad guy fucks up a bunch of old ones to show how badass he is' schtick.

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icon_uk
2012-01-04 05:09 pm UTC (link)

One might hope that organised crime is smart enough to leave the crazies enough room to play (and accept some losses in return) in order that they can continue working under the radar.

The current Penguin series sort of skirts around that, since he's not crazy as such, but is very unorthodox in his approach.

Though the preview to the latest issue (Which I meant to post a page of), has a great moment where a couple of the Penguin's henchmen are bemoaning their lot in life and one of them notes

"My momma always told me... Never trust a man whose name starts with 'The' "

Wise words in Gotham methinks...

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	no subject espanolbot 2013-04-23 07:52 am UTC (link)
	Suffers from "Frank Tieri thinks he's writing Marvel characters" syndrome. Where Tobias Whale, an already established character, becomes an albino version of the Kingpin, Vigilante becomes the Punisher and that Johnny Stitchface(?) guy who was created pretty much so they could have a Jigsaw. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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bariman
2012-01-05 06:02 pm UTC (link)

I'd want something that explains why really crappy bosses like the Joker and Black Mask keep getting henchmen, despite frequently murdering said henchmen for stupid reasons. Not to mention the fact that their accomplices to all the super-criminals' crimes, up to multiple homicides (and even domestic terrorism, given the Joker's frequent uses of chemical weapons) that would get anyone involved life in a maximun security prison or the death penalty.

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	no subject zechs80 2012-01-04 06:07 am UTC (link)
	Dear God.. Stephanie Brown gone Super Saiyian!!!! (Reply to this)

	no subject runespoor 2012-01-04 08:24 am UTC (link)
	Stephanie Brown: is a scary mofo. I adore the Bat+Robin dynamic they have going on here. Also, this 'do was designed by Batman. (Reply to this)

	no subject eyz 2012-01-04 09:02 am UTC (link)
	I really loved the few we've seen of this super-duper duo! <3 Their dynamic was great, even better than in the past... They worked so synchro! (Reply to this)

	no subject salinea 2012-01-04 09:54 am UTC (link)
	They were such a great pair of characters. (Reply to this)

	no subject autohobbs 2012-01-04 12:34 pm UTC (link)
	Aw. I miss Steph. :( (Reply to this)

	no subject q99 2012-01-04 01:33 pm UTC (link)
	-This was the first of two team-ups they had while Steph was Robin- The other being the one in Solo? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject espanolbot 2012-01-04 09:40 pm UTC (link)
	Yup, with Cass apparently being friends with a former cowgirl hitperson. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject halloweenjack 2012-01-04 02:02 pm UTC (link)
	That little kid holding up a gun that's half as big as she is cracks me up. I wonder if Cass' expression really means, "That's gotta be a Nerf gun"? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject bariman 2012-01-04 09:07 pm UTC (link)
	That's gotta be a Nerf gun It almost looks like someone kitbashed a Maverick and a Barricade. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject newnumber6 2012-01-04 10:58 pm UTC (link)
	There is an alternate universe out there where this setup (Cass Batgirl and Steph Robin) remained the status quo. One day I will find it. (Reply to this)

	no subject junipepper 2012-01-05 12:50 am UTC (link)
	Sigh. Too bad none of this ever happened. 'Cause I really enjoyed it when it, you know, did happen... Thank you Mr. Didio. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

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jaybee3
2012-01-05 01:15 am UTC (link)

I like to pretend that most of it did happen - except just not in the manner we saw on the page (which is the the exact explanation Didio gave when Countdown bombed and started contradicted other stuff in other books). You can say that Cass was Batgirl during the period before Babs was "healed" and all of the adventures she had in her own title happened with slight changes (the Superboy romance is gone and Steph was Spoiler all along). At some point Cass quit as Batgirl after a short period to become her own hero (Black Bat) and Steph briefly filled in. Given how little Cass & Steph aged (maybe 2-3 year at best since Cass's introduction) you could make it work in the new timeline (if DC cared to do so - which I don't think they do).

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	no subject junipepper 2012-01-05 01:31 am UTC (link)
	Yes, okay, but that still doesn't get us Steph as Robin. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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bariman
2012-01-05 06:18 pm UTC (link)

the Superboy romance is gone

Awww, but they were so cute together.

I'm still going with the explaination that Kon is still around somewhere, but everyone forgot about him due to pissed-off psychic guy or magic spell, and the star of the Superboy book is some new character. Maybe Kon is hanging with Miss Martian, Chris, and Thara and having space adventures or something.

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