AvX Versus - Yes

[stubbleupdate]

At CBR's Cup of Joe Axel in Charge column this week, there's more art released for AvX. I assume that they are covers for individual issues in the Versus mini-event that goes with AvX.

Most of them don't interest me, though I can see why the match-ups have been made. Hawkeye vs. Cyclops. Colossernaut vs. Thing. Spider-Woman vs. Gambit. Not massively interested.

However...

I shall definitely be buying I shall definitely be buying


And now I need to re-read Ms. Marvel - Civil War for the excitement of Carol vs. Other Carol vs. Rogue

Those readers who were around before the original site crashed will be able to work out why I'm so chuffed.

Comments

[schmevil]

I don't really get your position here. Ms. Marvel fans shouldn't be exited about the possibility of another Carol/Rogue showdown because Reasons, and the art sucks?

[mrstatham]

What's there to get excited over? It's Marvel backtracking to the same old shit again when we've had multiple Rogue/Danvers things occur between the original incident and now. It's being written partially by someone who doesn't value anyone but his favourites. And it's not like it's going to be some kind of deep examination of Carol or Rogue, because it's the book where basically, the heroes are going to beat the shit out of each other - as if comic book naysayers actually needed some hard evidence about them being childish. And yes, the art sucks.

[schmevil]

Wowzers. Superhero comics don't have to justify themselves to anyone, least of all people who think they're childish. Punchups for the sake of punchups are a convention of the genre. I'm not going to read Avengers vs X-Men, but I'm also not worried this event will singlehandedly regress the medium's position in the world. Shit like AvX is always going to be around.

Ms. Marvel hasn't been treated like a top line character for a few years now. I don't see anything strange with fans, hungry for more appearances, being excited about this issue.

[halloweenjack]

Shit like AvX is always going to be around.

You really think so? There's no law that I'm aware of that says that comics have to be produced. People really do get tired of the same old shit over and over again, which kind of explains why the comics readership for this stuff continues to shrink.

[schmevil]

Always as in, as long as there are superhero comics set in shared universes.

[drexer]

There is a difference between a super vs super brawl and an event dedicated to super vs super brawls which takes up 12 issues and which is planned to be all about fight scenes. A shared universe has many more traits and benefits than just that.

[schmevil]

Most of the events the big two have put put in recent years have been planned around fight scenes, and low on plot. That's why I don't read them. They're easy enough to avoid if you don't care for that stuff.

[drexer]

Examples? I haven't closely followed events on the Marvel side of things, but although DC latest two events have had their fill of conflict and fight scenes they do follow some kind of plot, they do have a theme and they certainly were not advertised as mainly-a-fight-scene-slugfest.

[stubbleupdate]

AvX Versus is unusual in that it is exactly and unabashedly a fight scene slugfest.

Marvel's conference call with the press last week had them admit that the only thing separating it from professional wrestling is the lack of entrance music.

[drexer]

My point exactly. From my point of view AvX is an exception(in my opinion[and probably mrstatham] a low-quality exception but certainly other people might think not), and thus it should not be compared with other events nor said that any superhero comic fan should just get used to it.

[stubbleupdate]

Do you understand that AvX Versus and AvX are different titles and cannot be lumped in together as a homogenous group, any more than a normal Marvel event and its Front Line tie in can?

[schmevil]

I think AvX Versus is ridiculous, but Marvel and DC often put out ridiculous stuff. idg why it's being singled out as The End Of Things as we know it.

[mrstatham]

My point was against Versus in particular, not AvX. Most events at least have something going on - even Civil War did, but I just think it's a complete joke that Marvel are going to be putting out what will very likely be a $3.99 book dedicated solely to people hitting each other.

[drexer]

Oh sorry; I din't notice the versus in your initial posting. The truth is that I remember those comments being made about the event in general, but seeing as I am on my phone right now I cannot properly verify it. If there is indeed an heavy plot around which the event revolves and its not focused primarly on a slugfes then its not as bad as I thought; but it still does not deviate from the fact that this is how this event has been publicized.

[stubbleupdate]

AvX is about the Phoenix Force and hope Summers.

AvX Versus is the "Front Line" book, but instead of focussing on smaller events, or characterisation, it is purely smashing. fights will begin and end in the main book, but the whole smackdown will be in AvX Versus

[schmevil]

World War Hulk was two crackers of plot, with a mound of spray-cheese-fights between them.