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I’ve just got hooked on comics, particularly Batman comics, and I have every right to blame Linkara for it. :D



But Scans Daily definitely comes in second because it is the first site that came up when looking for scans of old Batman Comics, and true to its title, this place is the place to get a comic fix (though maybe “bringing the crack” means something else but that’s how I took it)



Anyway…



I’ve wanted to post something on here for a bit, but I’ve been having a hard time thinking of something to post that was good and hasn’t already been done. Originally I was going to post something from Gotham Adventures (of which I will in the distant/near future) but I’m ambivalent as to what pages to post. I’m ambivalent to most things I do :P



So what did I choose you may ask? Five scans from Robin #125 from the book Robin Unmasked.



Enjoy!



Tim Drake’s father has just found out that Tim is really Robin! He confronts Bruce and Tim at Wayne Manor, which results in heated arguments abound. Jack is upset at what Bruce has done to his son and his desire for Tim to quit being the awesome Boy Wonder. While Tim and his father talk privately, we get this conversation between Nightwing, Batman and Alfred that put a smile on my face.













But…Batman NEEDS a Robin Damit! But then I suppose if my mom found out I was running around in tight spandex and fighting crime she would have a s**t fest too.



I find it interesting that Bruce has made up various identities in case he is ever exposed as Batman. I would like to know more about how that would work though. They should make a story based on the idea that Bruce is exposed as Batman. (unless they already have in which I apologize in advance).
I also like how Alfred points out the downfalls of killing off those who find out your secrets. Though you solve the problem now, bigger problems will surface in the future and you start to distrust the people around you. Alfred though seems pretty damn serious about putting poison in Bruce’s dinner.



My own personal peeve: I hate how this artist draws faces. In two of the panels, Batman looks like he’s ready to sneeze. Also, Sylvester Stallone comes to mind. It’s Tim Drake though that looks the worst, though these scans are bad examples of what I’m talking about. He looks like a completely different person.



I hope you all enjoyed my first post. :)

Date: 2012-01-17 02:21 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Man, I have a complete and utter hatred towards this era of Batman, specifically because of this story.

First, without Tim being force to quit, you don't have that run of Steph as Robin that really went nowhere except setting up War Games. That's two strikes against it already.

Then...I just hate Jack Drake here. I mean, him and his mother pretty much NEVER looked after Tim since he was born, just globetrotting and letting the butler and the work take care of him, and they only seem to even notice he exists until they run out of money, and when they find out that he's this big hero who's saved Gotham with Batman dozens of times...he blackmails them? No. He's not sympathetic, he was a crap father, Bruce was a far better male role model than him, and Jack probably should have realized that.

"They should make a story based on the idea that Bruce is exposed as Batman. (unless they already have in which I apologize in advance)."

There is Over the Edge from B:TAS. Kingdom Come has Bruce's identity being public knowledge for years, and the most we find out is that his villains trashed Wayne Manor.

Date: 2012-01-17 10:48 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
*Claps*

Yeah, was never a huge fan of Jack Drake.

I'm still amused, all these years later, over the horror that comes over him and his wife when they start to think that the reason for Tim frequently disappearing is that he's sleeping with Steph, who bring up her baby as a criticism. Tim's stepmum then brings up whether they know if Tim is a virgin any more or not...

Firstly, It's been a long time since I read the comic, so sorry if I'm wrong.

Secondly, if my memories are accurate: what business is it of their's who Tim may or may not be in a relationship with?

Thirdly, I dislike what they're implying with Steph in regards to her having a baby and then dating Tim immediately afterwards.

Fourthly, Are they also trying to imply that either Steph's kid was Tim's, or that she's trying to trap him with a baby to get their money? Either way: WHAT.

Date: 2012-01-17 12:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drmcninja
Having not read the story I can't speak on anything else, but I do understand how they consider it their business who he's in a relationship with. Just using a radical example, if I cam home with a racist, heroine-addicted, convicted serial arsonist, my parents would probably have very serious objections. It doesn't mean it's necessarily their business, but they certainly feel like it should be, and their opinion would certainly have a significant impact.

This coming from a guy who specifically keeps them out of his life for the same reasons.

Date: 2012-01-17 01:08 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
They'd met Steph and gotten along with her though, they were judging her purely on the pregnancy thing.

Date: 2012-01-17 05:09 pm (UTC)
maridee42: (spoiler!)
From: [personal profile] maridee42
well, maybe Steph has a little heroine addiction...but it's a good thing! Honest! Completely under control.

Date: 2012-01-17 03:16 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
That last panel, has Tim been working on his ballet? Because, well, day-um!

Date: 2012-01-17 04:52 am (UTC)
shadwing: Psi SW2 Game Card (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadwing
There was a Fan Fic piece covering this once...when Tim, and the other members of YJ, had their ID's blown and they were all taken in by Social Services.

Most of the kids were able to remain with their families, abet with some oversight and restrictions, since for the most part the parents knew what the kids were doing, accepted it and were to a degree involved with their chosen mentors. EXCEPT Tim, pretty much for the reasons you said above...he really didn't pay much attention to Tim till much later...the judge basically told Jack Drake that he was DAMN lucky that Tim focused his incredable mind and skills toward Batman, because he could have turned out so much worse given the lack of involvement in his son's life and activities before his accident.

Date: 2012-01-17 05:20 am (UTC)
caeliluminar: (tardis)
From: [personal profile] caeliluminar
Would you happen to have a link to said fic?

Date: 2012-01-18 12:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadwing
Man I wish I still had it! I got it off a listserve OTL, "Outside The Lines" years ago and I saved a copy...but alas that was 3 computers ago...

Date: 2012-05-02 12:29 am (UTC)
caeliluminar: (orpheus cat)
From: [personal profile] caeliluminar
Hey, thanks :) I didn't notice this earlier.

Date: 2012-01-17 05:29 am (UTC)
oroburos69: (Default)
From: [personal profile] oroburos69
Also interested in this fic.

Date: 2012-01-18 12:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadwing
Man I wish I still had it! I got it off a listserve OTL, "Outside The Lines" years ago and I saved a copy...but lost it...and a ton of other archived fics in a PC crash

Date: 2012-01-17 05:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
I was distracted by the missing ears of the Bat-symbol. They're probably lost forever within the abyss that is Batman's chest cleavage.

Date: 2012-01-17 05:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bj_l
I liked this run of Robin, I really did (even if that makes me a pariah here), but gawd, some of the art was so bad.

If this were live action, the acting would make Troma look subtle.

Date: 2012-01-17 06:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] terrykun
I think it says something about my history with Batman comics that the biggest thing I'm taking away from this scene is surprise that Bruce actually honored a promise to respect someone's privacy.

Date: 2012-01-17 07:25 am (UTC)
cf105: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cf105
Personally I think he lied

Date: 2012-01-17 04:46 pm (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
Pretty much this.

Date: 2012-01-17 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] agharta75
Bruce realized that he was no match for Alfred.

Date: 2012-01-17 07:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cf105
Also welcome

Date: 2012-01-17 09:46 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eyz
At least it resulted in Tim being adopted by Bruce (which was underused...) and him and Dick becoming brothers (which was nicely played with)

A story where Bruce considers getting rid of the Bruce Wayne persona? "Bruce Wayne Murderer"! :P

Date: 2012-01-17 10:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Hey, that storyline was actually really good. Plus it was the only one that had Cass Cain as a deciding factor in the plot.

Date: 2012-01-17 01:35 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Babs)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Yeah I loved "Murderer" too, but most of the times, every time I mention it people seem to jump at my throat, guns ablazin' :/

Date: 2012-01-19 08:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bariman
I didn't read most of that arc, but finding out that a) Barbara Gordon got a Masters from Harvard Law in her spare time and b) many of Gotham's citizens thought Bruce was innocent based on all his charity stuff were both pretty neat.

Date: 2012-01-17 10:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Dick and Tim had been brothers in every way that actually matters for years before the adoption. As noted before, the entire Batfamily only have two biologically related members, but are very a family.

And Tim being adopted by Bruce really did nothing for either character that wasn't already there, except without the interesting twist of Jack actually being on the scene, as the nominal father, who just was never very good at it.

Date: 2012-01-17 06:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thefiretonight
I always thought that if Dana knew, she probably would've smacked some sense into Jack.

Date: 2012-01-17 11:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
Presumably due to my only exposure to either of Tim's bio-parents being Identity Crisis, I've never really got the 'omg worst parents ever' thing (or the 'upper class' thing, but I digress)... and here he's being pretty much reasonable, so I assume there's a lot of missing required reading to get this popular opinion?

Date: 2012-01-18 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadwing
Yeah when Tim was first introed, his spent allot of his time alone and his parents were jet setters running their shipping business, the marriage was potrayed as very strained.

One of the early appearances of his parents were on a private jet using a secretary as a communication go between...

"Charles tell Mrs Drake..."
"Charles tell Mr Drake..."

Tim's birth mother was named Janet, and she was killed shortly before he became Robin, Dana is his step-mother who was Jack's Physical Therapist.

Date: 2012-01-18 12:56 am (UTC)
ext_197528: (Default)
From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
I think it was maybe the way it was talked about, I mean them being busy with work doesn't sounds like that bad a thing to me, nor does their strained marriage effect their ability as parents.

The strong feelings people have against them probably comes with context though, I suppose?

Date: 2012-01-19 06:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] airawyn
Tim was pretty much raised by housekeepers and boarding school. He was running around the worst parts of Gotham at night so he could stalk Batman and no one in his family noticed. Also, after his mother died, Jack promised to pay more attention to Tim, but when they hit a rough spot, Jack's solution was to ship Tim away to boarding school again.

I mean, you could see at times that Jack really loved Tim. He just wasn't good at being a dad.

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