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In Generation Hope #14, Hope and the Lights found a mind-wiped (by Emma) Sebastian Shaw in Pakistan and brought him to Utopia.

He's welcomed with open arms, obviously.



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Hope and Quentin Quire should hang out and hook up imho. Hot couple, Just Jared Jr material.

Other stuff is happening to the Lights that don't matter in this issue as well, btw.

Date: 2012-01-18 06:10 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
So Hope's taken possession of that there idiot ball the X-Men have been passing around for a good while now, and boy she's really running with it, isn't she?

Date: 2012-01-18 06:30 pm (UTC)
nyadnar17: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Man we are just destined to disagree today ;p

For once I am on Hope's side here. The X-men currently are running around with Emma Frost, Magneto, and freaking Apocalypse. I really don't see how trying to rehabilitate a mind wiped Sebastian Shaw is any more dangerous or unlikely.

I mean wasn't the whole point of Danger's prison facility rehabilitation?

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Date: 2012-01-18 06:15 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Cyclops)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
The first page talks about Shaw's crimes, including "distorting a young Jean Grey, ultimately unleashing the destructive Dark Phoenix Force inside her."

Ignoring how it wasn't "really" Jean, I'm pretty sure Emma had more of a hand in her corruption than Shaw did; wasn't she the one who helped Mastermind manipulate her?

Date: 2012-01-18 06:25 pm (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
I forgot how FABULOUS Shaw and the rest of the Club could be.

Date: 2012-01-18 06:27 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Blank Face)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
...yeah, I always got the idea that Shaw was on the same level of evil as Emma was when she was the White Queen. Maybe less because, as you pointed out, she had much more to do with the whole Dark Phoenix thing than Shaw. Plus the whole brain-washing children thing.

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Date: 2012-01-18 06:24 pm (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
Strange art is strange.

Date: 2012-01-18 06:28 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Man, this is some weird art. Watch out, Emma and Hope are going to start hitting each other with their tiny, tiny fists!

Date: 2012-01-18 06:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
God, I like Hope a lot more when she's just shooting things in other books. Is there any issue of this book where she doesn't come off as a self-righteous douche?

Date: 2012-01-18 06:35 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Cyclops)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
Cyclops and Emma are being the bigger dicks, imo.

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Date: 2012-01-18 06:41 pm (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
I'm with Hope on this one, but that slap is well-deserved for that comment she made.

Date: 2012-01-18 06:58 pm (UTC)
weber_dubois22: (Firefly)
From: [personal profile] weber_dubois22
Does Hope Summers do anything besides, y'know, accuse people of wrongdoings throughout her tenure or is that her trademark?

Date: 2012-01-18 07:02 pm (UTC)
kagome654: (Bored now)
From: [personal profile] kagome654
A trio of unpleasant people being unpleasant, how fun.

Date: 2012-01-18 07:24 pm (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
I am just amazed how Generation Hope -of all things- has Emma's voice down pitch perfect, yet none of the other X-books do.
Marvel better put this guy on one of the main X-books, if they know what's good for them.

Date: 2012-01-18 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] long_silence
Why is Hope assuming that Emma's slept with every man on the planet? Because in the entire time she's known Emma (all two months or so), she's only ever seen Emma with Scott and turning down Namor's advances.

Date: 2012-01-18 08:21 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Default)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
That doesn't mean she doesn't anything about Emma's history.

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Hope and Quentin Quire?

Date: 2012-01-18 08:09 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
As a couple, they kinda remind me of something Shinga wrote about Dawn Summers. (As in Buffy, not Scott.)

"She should hook up with Connor from Angel and they could get married in a very annoying ceremony and she can wear an annoying dress and then they can have lots of annoying babies and raise then in a nice annoying suburban house with an annoying white picket fence. And they can live annoyingly ever after."

Date: 2012-01-18 08:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hyperactivator
Attempt to rehablitiate him yes. Put him on the newest least experienced team run by a teenager? NO!

Mind wipes can be reversed and Hope just can't handle this situation.

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Date: 2012-01-18 08:50 pm (UTC)
v_various: (Default)
From: [personal profile] v_various
okay, what?
Hope is on super righteousness high road moral mode telling them not to judge Sebastian...after she judges Emma for an assumed number of sexual partners? I mean, fine, I thought "slut" was an insult too at her age, but the switch from dumb ass is just weird here.

I'm also confused as to why Emma looses it. Knowing what I do about the character, and how she's dressed, I don't really think she would give any fucks what people think of her sexuality, let alone allow herself to be shamed by a punk ass kid. I picture her with a dead pan reply of "orly? Hope, tell me, how many men HAVE I slept with? It's kind of gross you're keeping track, and let me assure you, you are an idiot and no way qualified to judge what number of partners can be used as a tool to insult other women. Well talk about Sebastian once you've grown the fuck up."

Date: 2012-01-18 09:11 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Osiris)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
Her argument was they didn't want to give Shaw sanctuary even though they've given sanctuary to all the other mutants (including plenty of other supervillains) because he was one of Emma's exes.

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Date: 2012-01-18 10:01 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] spacebetween
Hope is incredibly naive, which is rooted to her main problem that she is very much new to this timeline. That lays her problem in this situation and argument, she has no experience with Shaw or mindwiped people.

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Date: 2012-01-18 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
it's pretty much the same arguement they used for Joseph.

Date: 2012-01-18 11:43 pm (UTC)
introverted_excavator: Oerba Yun Fang from Final Fantasy XIII (Default)
From: [personal profile] introverted_excavator
Emma should've hit her in diamond form. I'm completely past the point of thinking Hope can be turned into an actual fleshed out character instead of a self-righteous (And now slut-shaming) fuck. The sooner Marvel ends her storyline the better.

Date: 2012-01-19 12:13 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] spacebetween
I'm hoping Avengers vs X-Men will do that. I still think Hope actually came about from the Decimation and is where all of the mutant powers have gone considering the broad spectrum of her powers.

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Date: 2012-01-19 12:44 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
If this were a DC book, Emma would be absolutely right, since we know that genetics == destiny over there.

Date: 2012-01-19 03:09 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Emma did murder people and a horse. But at least she didn't telepathically control her teammates in order for Cable to be right about something. That's basically Hope's defense for mind-controlling her teammates. She would rather control their minds than have Cable's death be (somehow) meaningless. Yeah, I don't get it either. If Cable was wrong about Hope being special he was wrong about everything?

Emma did do some mind-control to protect Generation X from Onslaught, but that was more protecting them from a boring crossover and an enemy they couldn't fight than anything else.

Date: 2012-01-19 04:06 am (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
BUTTER RUM.


NEVER FORGET.

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Date: 2012-01-19 03:43 am (UTC)
arise: (gundam seed ♥ uhhhhhh)
From: [personal profile] arise
Ughhhh. There really needs to be an equivalent of Godwin's Law for slut-shaming your opponent.

Date: 2012-01-19 04:43 am (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
So we're all just gonna ignore the "mongrel" thing? Okay.

Date: 2012-01-19 08:29 am (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
In context it doesn't seem racially charged? Kinda weird though.

Date: 2012-01-19 06:05 am (UTC)
suzene: (Default)
From: [personal profile] suzene
Writing like this is why Emma Frost has gone from a character I had some investment in to one that I loathe. Emma can certainly be rattled, Emma can be petty, but she's not flipping graceless and she's not an easy mark. Hope should not have the verbal capacity to get under Emma's skin to the point that she'd lower herself to physical violence. Hope's high-school level slut-shaming should mean less than nothing to her. She should have half-a-dozen razor-sharp barbs ready to fire back with perfect poise and walk off leaving the time-displaced virgin sputtering.

In other news, whatever is in Utopia's water supply is still making Scott act an idiot.

Can we please speed the Phoenix event along so that Marvel can cancel this book already?

Date: 2012-01-19 07:08 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] spacebetween
Could always put it down too Hope's 'have every mutant power' power. Telepaths and similar powers can mess with people's mind.

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Date: 2012-01-19 10:05 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
Why lie? I'm really enjoying Hope. She's pretty terrible and so teenagery and MISTAKEN all the time. So sure she's right! She's faulty enough that she feels like she has actual.. Effects on things? She feels like she's *happening* instead of coasting.

I hope she sticks around. I want to see her grow.

Date: 2012-01-19 10:11 pm (UTC)
salinea: Sansa squeeing (<3)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I love Hope as well. :) some of it for those reasons, some of it for other reasons.

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