scans_daily: Batman #5

Diane Darcy (

aeka) wrote in

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@ 2012-01-20 07:22 pm UTC

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char: alfred pennyworth, char: batgirl/oracle/barbara gordon, char: batman/bruce wayne, char: batwing/david zavimbe, char: catwoman/selina kyle, char: harvey bullock, char: jim gordon, char: robin/damian wayne, char: robin/nightwing/dick grayson, creator: scott snyder, title: batman

Batman #5

If a song is to be written about this issue of Batman, I would call it 'Batman's Going Slightly Mad.'

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	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-01-21 12:30 am UTC (link)
	This was a pretty creepy issue, yes. The scene with Bruce and his parents...shiver (Reply to this)

	no subject aeka 2012-01-21 12:39 am UTC (link)
	Yeah I don't think he was wrong about the water being drugged. Then again, after eight days of no food I wouldn't expect him to be functioning at full capacity either and 'drugged water' could've been just paranoia talking. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject espanolbot 2012-01-21 12:46 am UTC (link)
	Bruce having a Black Swan moment there. Still, despite what people are saying about this being a retread of the Black Glove storyline (which is both is and isn't), his breakdown here seems a bit less silly than the back up personality thing that Morrison introduced. Not bashing RIP, it had its good bits, just that I think that some parts work better here. (Reply to this)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-01-21 12:49 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, I'm thinking a lot of the madness has to do with what he's found out and his lack of food--but I wouldn't be surprised if the Court didn't lace the water with something, just to speed the process on; especially with what we see in the second to last page. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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darkknightjrk
2012-01-21 12:53 am UTC (link)

"Bruce having a Black Swan moment there."

You know, I didn't notice that the owl characteristics were showing up that early until now. I just thought it started after Talon stabbed him--if that part is even real.

It should also be noted that this also a bit like Batman: The Cult, specifically in that Blackfire truly BROKE Batman, whereas in RIP he always had something hidden under his sleeve.

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	no subject cypherfdp 2012-01-21 01:29 am UTC (link)
	You know I think this man who dresses like a bat might have some issues. (Reply to this)

	no subject tauruschick12 2012-01-21 01:38 am UTC (link)
	Awww Nightwing and Robin working together again! Also yeah Bruce is a few fries short of a full Happy Meal here. (Reply to this)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-01-21 01:39 am UTC (link)
	Good issue, though given that Batman has just come back from a year plus of being dead, I don't think eight days would faze most of his family (also a shame that we get only one panel, one freaking panel of Dick and Damian) (Reply to this)

	no subject aeka 2012-01-21 01:56 am UTC (link)
	And only one panel of Catwoman for me. Even in that one panel, she looked better depicted than in all five issues of Catwoman put together. :( (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2012-01-21 02:20 am UTC (link)
	the last panel with Damian made me wibble :( *SAD FOREVER!) (Reply to this)

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darkknightjrk
2012-01-21 02:35 am UTC (link)

I don't know if I'd go that far, but Capullo does do her justice. Did you see his drawing of her he did recently for an art print?

The only thing that bothers me is what I've been noticing with how everyone's drawing her lately--the fact that when zipped up there's this strip of her neck flashing. It just looks weird, like Selina left her cowl in the washing machine for too long.

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	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-01-21 02:36 am UTC (link)
	Yeah--you KNOW shit's gotten real when it's forcing Damian to say "please." Loved when Gordon put his arm over him, a very sad/touching moment. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject aeka 2012-01-21 02:47 am UTC (link)
	I wasn't commenting the artwork, I was commenting on the writing. In just that one panel she appeared to have more depth than she has in all of the Catwoman issues we've seen. :P (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-01-21 02:58 am UTC (link)
	I greatly disagree with that, too. It's a slightly different take, but there really is a lot of character depth in the current ongoing. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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aeka
2012-01-21 03:08 am UTC (link)

Agreeing to disagree here, but I would hardly call Winick's take on her as having 'depth' when nothing of the story's development happened organically and a lot of her 'in depth' scenes with Lola were handled at full force in the story's infancy, which lessened the emotional impact if it was meant to have one. His characterisation of Selina's character is pretty shallow at best.

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darkknightjrk
2012-01-21 03:14 am UTC (link)

I think even if you take away the Lola stuff there's still some depth there--her relationship with Batman alone shows that, not to mention her temper and her head having conflict with her impulse when it comes to her life of crime. This, in my opinion, is the most interesting, conflicted, strongest take on Selina since Brubaker, and while they're approached very differently, I think they're about equal in terms of depth.

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	no subject aeka 2012-01-21 03:34 am UTC (link)
	I think you and I have a very different understanding of the word 'depth' if you seriously equate Winick's shallow handling of the character to the far more qualitative writing of Ed Brubaker. So I'll just leave it at that. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-01-21 03:36 am UTC (link)
	And I'll say that just because shallowness is part of a character's trait doesn't mean that the handling of said character is shallow. Shake? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject aeka 2012-01-21 03:57 am UTC (link)
	(1) Do not mistake Winick's own shallow understanding of the character and what she is about as the character having 'shallow traits,' and (2) you're now arguing in circles. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject sherkahn 2012-01-21 04:50 am UTC (link)
	I love seeing cracks in Damian's "brat" armor, because it shows a very human boy under all that posturing. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-01-21 10:20 am UTC (link)
	Is it fleshtoned? In the post it appears to be a different fabric rather than skin, which makes sense, since a leather one-piece with a cowl would seriously restrict being able to turn your head. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-01-21 10:23 am UTC (link)
	I think it's the posturing that always tells me there's a very human boy there in the first place... if that makes sense. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject jlroberson 2012-01-21 10:26 am UTC (link)
	Snyder and Capullo are doing some incredible work here. And Snyder in particular has managed to put this book, in my mind, on the same level as his so-far-excellent SWAMP THING. I like that they're pushing limits so early into the run, and I LOVE they';re bringing a huge element of horror into the book. It works very well. (Reply to this)

	no subject star_of_airdrie 2012-01-21 12:30 pm UTC (link)
	lack of sleep, even two days, can make you hallucinate... of course the Goddamn Batman can go without sleep for a month but it can contribute here... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject star_of_airdrie 2012-01-21 12:36 pm UTC (link)
	As much as I loved Dick and Damian together, something about Dick sitting back with a smug look as Damian pummels someone in the face, obviously hurting, doing his job without his father there, tells me in one panel how much the DCnU is different. (Reply to this)

	no subject kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com 2012-01-21 01:03 pm UTC (link)
	I read this yesterday, absolutely brilliant! I loved the flipped around pages. Apparently that was much less fun for people who bought digital copies. XD (Reply to this)

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mrstatham
2012-01-21 01:53 pm UTC (link)

The thing is, it's not even a retread of the 'Black Glove' storyline. It's a generic 'villains are tormenting the hero' storyline - and the execution is, as always, where the quality comes into play. Morrison used it to further his 'Batman has a plan for everything' concept, which is true to his version and doesn't really hurt anything, and Snyder's got this, but it's hardly anything that started with RIP.

I mean, the Kevin Smith Guardian Devil story is pretty similar to RIP in that respect. Unseen foe is actively and constantly tormenting the hero? Check. Mental instability? Check.

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	no subject mrstatham 2012-01-21 01:57 pm UTC (link)
	He's ten. There's plenty of tough-guy kids his age who like to posture and make out that they're way bigger than they actually are. And it's generally a staple of fiction. But I always like seeing more 'normal' stuff being done with Damien. Like the issue of Batgirl where Steph takes him to that amusement park at the end. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject kamino_neko 2012-01-21 03:14 pm UTC (link)
	'Slightly mad'...heh. He's so far 'round the bend, he's coming up behind himself. (Reply to this)

	no subject sistermagpie 2012-01-21 03:29 pm UTC (link)
	I saw something completely different in that panel. To me Dick looks businesslike rather than smug and Damian's not pummeling, he's threatening. I do have to say, this is the way to do sympathetic Damian to me--much better than B&R. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject katya 2012-01-21 04:57 pm UTC (link)
	Really agree. Damian had 3 panels and 2 lines in this issue and was far more sympathetic than he has been in the whole run of B&R since the reboot. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject katya 2012-01-21 04:59 pm UTC (link)
	The owner of my LCS, when I went to pick up my books, said "Just FYI your Batman is not damaged!" Apparently a few people didn't realize the pages were supposed to be flipped like that. It was pretty intuitive to me. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com 2012-01-21 05:03 pm UTC (link)
	Oh yeah, I've heard people say that too. :) I'd have thought it was pretty obvious after they turned it on it's side first (the dimensions wouldn't work if it was portrait rather than landscape), I thought it was brilliant. :) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-01-21 07:49 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think so--it seriously looks like her cowl shrunk in the wash. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-01-21 07:53 pm UTC (link)
	The pic in your post, yes, that looks like a shrunk cowl, but the in the main post, there seems to be no skin exposed. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject maxisanacorn 2012-01-22 05:08 am UTC (link)
	Catwoman shouldn't be in high heels. That's my one complaint. Darwyn Cooke: Catwoman 101. (Reply to this)

	no subject darrylayo 2012-01-22 04:10 pm UTC (link)
	This was a pretty terrific comic book. (Reply to this)

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bariman
2012-01-22 07:26 pm UTC (link)

You know, I always thought that "thirty minute meditation" thing actually didn't work that well, contributing to the flip-flopping of crazy and/or dickish behavior. The "message from the future" test he did on Tim to make him paranoid of all his Bat-allies, and that Tim should have seen though immediately because "time travel isn't possible"? That was the result of several months of meditation with no actual sleep.

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	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-01-23 05:54 am UTC (link)
	Hell, Miller's Born Again damn near created this troupe in superhero comics. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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