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Context: Circe has decided to go mythological with her antics, and, after teaming up with several of Wonder Woman's other villains including the Silver Swan and the Argentinian version of Cheetah, she launches a plot to turn the male heroes of the world into animals, amongst other general spiteful hijinx.

With the whole world's supervillainess' running amuck, she decides that she needs to get help. So, she contacts Oracle to put out a message which is a more polite version of this,


What follows is both one of the best moments in Diana's series, and also somewhat depressing considering how many of those faces are no longer with us,





Steph also appears later, having being partnered up with Kyle Rayner, Jade and Batman, but unlike Cass' other appearance (one panel of her kicking Jinx in the face) she's basically just grinning like she's happy to be involved.

Also, there's a possible explanation for why Cass didn't show up in many other characters' series: she's shy.

Re: This is going to get ugly

Date: 2012-01-28 02:38 pm (UTC)
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Aside from pretty much allowing murder of unarmed men? Okay, those bastards deserved it, but thats not, how Diana acts. Thats how the psycho from TV pilot acts. Thats how the femi-nazi warrior hypocrite from movie and comics by Geoff Jonhs acts.

I am ok with it, considering this isnt the Diana from main DCU, but her alternative version, living diffrent life in diffrent time. But her potrayal is hardly great, especialy considering she has been done like that so many times lately.

Re: Patented EspanolBot Essay Response

Date: 2012-01-28 06:44 pm (UTC)
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Eh, did you miss the part, where I said I am ok, with her potrayal in New Frontier?

I am too lazy to explain Killing Max. Yeah, I know, what the hell am I doing on this web then? Anyway, this guy did a review of the issue (well, more like a scene, but he was really annoyed by the whole thing), which pretty much covers most of what I can say about it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TurL04mg6Fw


The problem is, the movie is supposed to be ADAPTATION. If you want to developt or change comic character to be less interesting, do it in comics.

And yes, it is hypocrisy. She says how evil men are, when she and amazons are openly enjoying fighting, killing, and threats everyone else like shit. She isnt feminist, shes the same, boring, stereo-typical angryfuck like all greek heroes. And dont anyone try to tell me I am being sexist here. Just because shes a woman, doesnt excuse her from acting like an angry bastard.


You are talking about Diana, like if she was character, that was just created, or who is being created, and we are arguing about what kind of person she is going to be. The problem is, we already know her character. Diana is supposed to be loving, wise, "first talking, then fighting" pacifist. This isnt development (if it is, its a bad one), or diffrent take on the character, this is changing her, in to steoreotypical Rambo chick.


Yeah, I posted this coment twice. What do you want? You both say pretty much the same thing and I cant respond to you both with one coment (atleast I think, I am still not 100% familiar with this website). Anyway, I respect your opinion, and I think I get your point, but I just dont see it like you do. Sorry if I am being too harsh.

Re: Patented EspanolBot Essay Response

Date: 2012-01-28 09:16 pm (UTC)
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BTW, I havent read your coment properly. I am sorry for that. I still stand behind all of my points about the movie and Maxwell Lord, but I didnt know you have been talking so much about her potrayal in New Frontier. Well, Ive only seens the movie version and it was a long time ago, so I dont remember some of the things you said. My fault. Sorry.

Re: This is going to get ugly

Date: 2012-01-28 03:35 pm (UTC)
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Many superhero portrayals have varied and adapted themselves across the times, and especially portrayals in WW2 such as Captain America and others have not had any qualm whatsoever about killing. New Frontier was built as a story that fit within those time slots and sociological expectations, so it was very precisely put that WW attitude there, because that would be her reflection across that same time period.

The same was not done with Batman and Superman because the character of the first is deeply ingrained with his moral code despite its era and the second has always lived with the paradigm of his power being far too much to allow himself to relax up to the point of killing someone.

Wonder Woman on the other hand is a force of social and adaptive change, and alongside that, as a reflection of humanity on the decision of making hard and difficult choices. That's why killing Maxwell Lord was not an awful moment for WW because of the kill(because she was effectively the only hero who could take that action in plain conscience of its repercussions and face its fallout with her head held high), but because of how it was treated alongside the rest of the story and the universe. Not to mention the storyline setup.

Her kills on New Frontier are a product of all of this and are built alongside a time where the participation of women in the war also gave rise to a great part of the fight for women's rights. It's as much a individual moment as a greater social movement, of feminism raising its head and saying "we've reclaimed our homes, our rights and our dignity. We won't bow down or give up any more because we don't have that luxury; just as you have not the luxury of coming here and telling us what we should do when you let so many horrible things happen behind you".

Re: This is going to get ugly

Date: 2012-01-28 06:29 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benuben
Eh, did you miss the part, where I said I am ok, with her potrayal in New Frontier?

I am too lazy to explain Killing Max. Yeah, I know, what the hell am I doing on this web then? Anyway, this guy did a review of the issue (well, more like a scene, but he was really annoyed by the whole thing), which pretty much covers most of what I can say about it:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TurL04mg6Fw


You are talking about Diana, like if she was character, that was just created, or who is being created, and we are arguing about what kind of person she is going to be. The problem is, we already know her character. Diana is supposed to be loving, wise, "first talking, then fighting" pacifist. This isnt delopment, or diffrent take on the character, this is changing her, in to steoreotypical Rambo chick.

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