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Entry tags:char: robin/red hood/jason todd, char: starfire/koriand'r, creator: josh williamson, creator: kenneth rocafort, creator: scott lobdell, title: red hood and the outlaws
This most recent issue takes place in flashback, and explains how Jason and Kory fell in with each other in the first place. It's my clear favourite of the series so far, not least because I enjoy Josh Williamson's dialogue much, much more than Scott Lobdell's.





It turns out that Kory first met Jason when she hauled him out of the ocean, after one of his missions went wrong. Apparently his clothes were destroyed in the skirmish, because Jason spends most of this issue severely under-dressed. Not that I'm complaining. (Well, I am, but only because S_D's page limit prevents me from demonstrating the sheer extent of it).



After they resolve the misunderstanding, Kory takes him on a tour of her spaceship. She also offers him some clothes to wear - some very, very familiar clothes. Clothes that belonged to her ex-boyfriend, if you get my drift.



Again we see that she *does* remember her past, sometimes in more detail, and sometimes less. (Note: there were suggestions of this in issues 4 & 5 too, and I'm planning to post pages from them soon). Jason's remark in issue 1 about Tamaraneans experiencing humans as "smells" makes a little more sense now too, as Kory seems to be using the scent of Dick's clothes to evoke a memory.

And Jason should stop defining himself by the men he has known, and the costumes that they wore? She's definitely astute. On a page I didn't scan we see other costumes laid out, including the classic green-panties Robin outfit, and something that looks rather like the Discowing suit. I'm not sure where the black suit with the red bat is supposed to have come from, but I'm assuming it must be something that Dick wore at some point during this new continuity. So, that explains why Jason is still wearing the bat symbol - he's dressed up in big brother's clothes yet again!


Jason realises that Kory loves Dick just as much as he (claims) to hate him. He decides then that he's going to have to explain exactly who he is, and who he used to be. They each lay their cards out on the table, and come to the conclusion that they are cool with each other. Kory also gives him one of her trademark knowledge absorbing kisses, and after that she seems to have him pretty much all figured out. It's cute.




Kory weirdly reminds me of Ariel here. Also, she did rescue Jason from drowning. And she's a princess from another wooorld! So, perhaps now Jason is wearing someone else’s costume not because he's trying to assume their identity, so much as to respect the past while living in the present?

As for the relationship between Jason and Kory, well, it's interestingly mostly-platonic. Jason counts Kory as one of his "teachers" in his inner monologue, along with Bruce and Ducra (and presumably Talia as well - dude just never stops with the Freudian undertones, does he?) And also thinks about how he can't tell the difference between romance and friendship when it comes to her. I don't think Kory sees Jason in romantic terms at all, although she acknowledges some attraction to him because he superficially reminds her of Dick. If this situation were any different I'd say "ouch," but it honestly doesn't seem that Jason wants anything more from Kory than the friendship and the guidance that she's offering.

tl;dr: Please write the dialogue for this title for ever, Josh Williamson.



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icon_uk: (Sonny Strait Nightwing)


[personal profile] icon_uk
2012-02-15 08:43 pm UTC (link)
So how old was Jason here, at what point in his life does his meeting with Kory happen? Sorry, I don't know when it fits into things.

Is the scene after Kory starts sniffing Dicks glove (A sentence even I never thought I'd ever type) a flashback within a flashback? Because if is it, it suggests that Kory met Roy when she met Dick for the first time, and though I might be misremembering (oh, the irony) I thought that Roy seemed to know Kory by reputation, rather than contact.

And I'm still unconvinced by Kory's memory weirdness. "I do not define myself by the men I have known" is a perfectly valid POV, but she seems to not remember ANYONE particularly well, and how could Tamaraneans evolve and develop a society with social interactions being so vague.

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whitesycamore: (pic#913785)


[personal profile] whitesycamore
2012-02-15 08:47 pm UTC (link)
I get the impression that she remember things that happened on Tamaran far better (because of a line in issue 5), and that it's just human interactions that she has difficulty recalling.

It also seems that Kory's emotional memories are intact, but that specific verbal information is sometimes... difficult to access, but not *gone.*

I think they are almost like early childhood memories are for us - intense, but fuzzy in the details.

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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-02-15 08:52 pm UTC (link)
I think they are almost like early childhood memories are for us - intense, but fuzzy in the details

yeah that's what i got. and like you said, still there, in issue 4... i think she called out "richard" so she DOES remember him.

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whitesycamore: (pic#913785)


[personal profile] whitesycamore
2012-02-15 08:51 pm UTC (link)
And yes, the glove sniffing is a flashback in a flashback. I don't really get the Roy and Kory thing either - honestly, I think a lot of this is after-the-fact damage control,

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whitesycamore: (pic#913785)


[personal profile] whitesycamore
2012-02-15 08:54 pm UTC (link)
the scene after the glove sniffing is a flashback, I mean. And Kory and Jason supposedly first met one month before the events of issue 1.

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star_of_airdrie: (nttkiss)


[personal profile] star_of_airdrie
2012-02-15 09:26 pm UTC (link)
'Sniffing Dick's Glue is what I read' you writing which made sense to me...

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whitesycamore: (pic#913785)


[personal profile] whitesycamore
2012-02-15 09:34 pm UTC (link)
Dick's Glue is best avoided, probably.

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star_of_airdrie: Starfire in Love (Starfire (NTT) in Love)


[personal profile] star_of_airdrie
2012-02-15 09:37 pm UTC (link)
I meant the autoproduced kind and made 2.5 cc's at a time and not best avoided... apparently this time it was just me (and my Percocet!)

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whitesycamore: (Terra)


[personal profile] whitesycamore
2012-02-15 09:38 pm UTC (link)
Don't worry, if someone had to guess which one of us was on drugs, they would probably not pick you.

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star_of_airdrie: (Jigsy2)


[personal profile] star_of_airdrie
2012-02-15 09:41 pm UTC (link)
not worried until I saw what I bought on line last night!!!

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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-02-15 09:37 pm UTC (link)
... i,, is that dick's glue? or batman's glue?

i...

hmm im considering this 18+dick and going to my bunk....

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icon_uk: (Sonny Strait Nightwing)


[personal profile] icon_uk
2012-02-15 11:27 pm UTC (link)
Tim would agree

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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-02-15 11:39 pm UTC (link)
son of a..!

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whitesycamore: (Robin noir)


[personal profile] whitesycamore
2012-02-15 11:43 pm UTC (link)
You've always gotta one-up me, don't you? :P

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icon_uk: (Sonny Strait Nightwing)


[personal profile] icon_uk
2012-02-16 12:04 am UTC (link)
Only in the interests of innuendo laden Robin images, so it's all good! :)

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whitesycamore: (Kate's grin)


[personal profile] whitesycamore
2012-02-16 12:07 am UTC (link)
I really want to ask about your filing system for innuendo laden Robin images. You seem to find them so swiftly...

I imagine it's done by keywords!

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icon_uk: (Sonny Strait Nightwing)


[personal profile] icon_uk
2012-02-16 12:12 am UTC (link)
My google fu is quite good! :)

And the cover galleries on www.Comics.org are a godsend!

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junkurosu: Jun Kurosu (main/default)


[personal profile] junkurosu
2012-02-15 11:48 pm UTC (link)
I have to know where that is from because context is important and 'what am I looking at'.

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shadowpsykie: (Hope Silly)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-02-16 12:00 am UTC (link)
Shhhhh *pats you gently on the back as i rock you back and forth*

Hush now sweetie... context has no place here...

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junkurosu: Jun Kurosu (main/default)


[personal profile] junkurosu
2012-02-16 12:09 am UTC (link)
But... but... there might be more. Context... zzz... Oh Mr Robin.... Oh *sleeps*

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(no subject) - [personal profile] shadowpsykie, 2012-02-16 12:14 am UTC (Expand)
icon_uk: (Sonny Strait Nightwing)


[personal profile] icon_uk
2012-02-16 12:06 am UTC (link)
It's the cover to Detective Comics #829

I CAN supply context if you want me to, but ask yourself... do you REALLY want me to?

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junkurosu: Jun Kurosu (main/default)


[personal profile] junkurosu
2012-02-16 12:11 am UTC (link)
I think I am equipped to find out. *takes out the adventure hat and bullwhip* Thank you very much for the source!

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(no subject) - [personal profile] icon_uk, 2012-02-16 12:30 am UTC (Expand)
shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-02-16 12:15 am UTC (link)
heh, that only brings more questions... well done Icon... well done :D

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star_of_airdrie: (DickKory1)


[personal profile] star_of_airdrie
2012-02-15 09:31 pm UTC (link)
'And I'm still unconvinced by Kory's memory weirdness. "I do not define myself by the men I have known" is a perfectly valid POV, but she seems to not remember ANYONE particularly well, and how could Tamaraneans evolve and develop a society with social interactions being so vague.'

They are still figuring that out for themselves I fear although they are also going with this idea: "I am aware that if I ever gave up anything beyond myself to validate my very existence... then I would already be giving up my power for self-defining"

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[personal profile] darkknightjrk
2012-02-16 01:10 am UTC (link)
"So how old was Jason here, at what point in his life does his meeting with Kory happen? Sorry, I don't know when it fits into things."

I believe it was said by someone (I want to say Capullo, because he asked about the ages of the Robins to better draw them) that Jason is 20 years old, and in an editorial caption on the first page of this issue, it said this issue takes place a month before issue #1.

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