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This most recent issue takes place in flashback, and explains how Jason and Kory fell in with each other in the first place. It's my clear favourite of the series so far, not least because I enjoy Josh Williamson's dialogue much, much more than Scott Lobdell's.

It turns out that Kory first met Jason when she hauled him out of the ocean, after one of his missions went wrong. Apparently his clothes were destroyed in the skirmish, because Jason spends most of this issue severely under-dressed. Not that I'm complaining. (Well, I am, but only because S_D's page limit prevents me from demonstrating the sheer extent of it).

After they resolve the misunderstanding, Kory takes him on a tour of her spaceship. She also offers him some clothes to wear - some very, very familiar clothes. Clothes that belonged to her ex-boyfriend, if you get my drift.

Again we see that she *does* remember her past, sometimes in more detail, and sometimes less. (Note: there were suggestions of this in issues 4 & 5 too, and I'm planning to post pages from them soon). Jason's remark in issue 1 about Tamaraneans experiencing humans as "smells" makes a little more sense now too, as Kory seems to be using the scent of Dick's clothes to evoke a memory.

And Jason should stop defining himself by the men he has known, and the costumes that they wore? She's definitely astute. On a page I didn't scan we see other costumes laid out, including the classic green-panties Robin outfit, and something that looks rather like the Discowing suit. I'm not sure where the black suit with the red bat is supposed to have come from, but I'm assuming it must be something that Dick wore at some point during this new continuity. So, that explains why Jason is still wearing the bat symbol - he's dressed up in big brother's clothes yet again!

Jason realises that Kory loves Dick just as much as he (claims) to hate him. He decides then that he's going to have to explain exactly who he is, and who he used to be. They each lay their cards out on the table, and come to the conclusion that they are cool with each other. Kory also gives him one of her trademark knowledge absorbing kisses, and after that she seems to have him pretty much all figured out. It's cute.

Kory weirdly reminds me of Ariel here. Also, she did rescue Jason from drowning. And she's a princess from another wooorld! So, perhaps now Jason is wearing someone else’s costume not because he's trying to assume their identity, so much as to respect the past while living in the present?

As for the relationship between Jason and Kory, well, it's interestingly mostly-platonic. Jason counts Kory as one of his "teachers" in his inner monologue, along with Bruce and Ducra (and presumably Talia as well - dude just never stops with the Freudian undertones, does he?) And also thinks about how he can't tell the difference between romance and friendship when it comes to her. I don't think Kory sees Jason in romantic terms at all, although she acknowledges some attraction to him because he superficially reminds her of Dick. If this situation were any different I'd say "ouch," but it honestly doesn't seem that Jason wants anything more from Kory than the friendship and the guidance that she's offering.

tl;dr: Please write the dialogue for this title for ever, Josh Williamson.

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Date: 2012-02-15 08:33 pm (UTC)
star_of_airdrie: (prettykory)
From: [personal profile] star_of_airdrie
I was shocked and amazed how palatable I found this issue.

"I will remember him when I see him again..." I hope so!

Date: 2012-02-15 08:34 pm (UTC)
sun_man: this is Dick Grayson (Default)
From: [personal profile] sun_man
Man I miss the old Star Fire. Hope she never runs into Nightwing

Date: 2012-02-15 08:36 pm (UTC)
tsunamiwombat: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tsunamiwombat
This seems to be alot better handling. Man, if only they had OPENED with this.

In this case i'd say they're both, wounded and damaged people, learning a bit from each other and comforting each other physically, even though Kory has no real emotional attachment to him. It's kind of sweet.

Until jealousy inevitably destroys it ofc wolol.

Date: 2012-02-15 08:36 pm (UTC)
star_of_airdrie: (Default)
From: [personal profile] star_of_airdrie
nUStarfire has her drawbacks certainly, but after the first 5 issues, this is so much better than I expected.

Date: 2012-02-15 08:38 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
so this is still Lobdell's Plotting but Williamson's dialogue is that how it is?

because while i like Lobdell, and got hints of what he was doing in this series for some reason he feels like he has the voices of the other characters (meaning Superboy and the Titans) much better than he has these voices (except some cahracter moments) Williams seems like he knows how to convey this IN dialogue much easier...

does any of that make sense?

Date: 2012-02-15 08:39 pm (UTC)
star_of_airdrie: (Koryoutlaw)
From: [personal profile] star_of_airdrie
So the question is - was this the issue planned, the Kor(i) planned, or some fanservice?

But how wonderful it would have been if they would have opened things with this... but they got their publicity

Date: 2012-02-15 08:41 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
and those scenes where she is holding Dick's costume are very sweet and tender... (is this still Rocafort? because i KNEW he knew how to draw sexy without being explotative, i've seen his other work, why can't he be consistent with that?!?!)

Date: 2012-02-15 08:43 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
So how old was Jason here, at what point in his life does his meeting with Kory happen? Sorry, I don't know when it fits into things.

Is the scene after Kory starts sniffing Dicks glove (A sentence even I never thought I'd ever type) a flashback within a flashback? Because if is it, it suggests that Kory met Roy when she met Dick for the first time, and though I might be misremembering (oh, the irony) I thought that Roy seemed to know Kory by reputation, rather than contact.

And I'm still unconvinced by Kory's memory weirdness. "I do not define myself by the men I have known" is a perfectly valid POV, but she seems to not remember ANYONE particularly well, and how could Tamaraneans evolve and develop a society with social interactions being so vague.

Date: 2012-02-15 08:44 pm (UTC)
junkurosu: Jun Kurosu (Default)
From: [personal profile] junkurosu
I agree with the TL;DR.

Kori was never a character I really cared for. The only things I knew about her was that A) she was one of Dick's exes, B) on the Teen Titans animated show which I didn't care about. So the first issue of this series DID NOT help me warm up to her. This issue however makes me want to read about her now to make a more solid opinion of her.

Jason and no pants. A great combination!

Date: 2012-02-15 08:46 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
yeah, i never hated Lobdell's story here. Its just with two other books it seems like one has to suffer and in this case its RHatO. the dialogue had hints of where he was going... but it was either to subtle or vauge which caused it to seem rather sloppy. so the potential story that was there suffered.

Date: 2012-02-15 08:49 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Do you mind if I ask why do you feel that Kory is "wounded and damaged" particularly?

She had the unspeakable childhood (but she always had that), but from what I've seen she seems to be operating within her people's (apparent) standard approach to life, and is comfortable with that and doesn't seem to feel any urgent need to "heal"

Date: 2012-02-15 08:51 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
yeah that's what i got too. She has a past, a past in which she was hurt. BUT she that past does not define who she is. She remembers the past, and respects it, but does not allow herself to be defined by it.

Date: 2012-02-15 08:52 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
I think they are almost like early childhood memories are for us - intense, but fuzzy in the details

yeah that's what i got. and like you said, still there, in issue 4... i think she called out "richard" so she DOES remember him.

Date: 2012-02-15 08:55 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Terra is Scared (TerraTerror)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
“Kory weirdly reminds me of Ariel here. Also, she did rescue Jason from drowning. And she's a princess from another wooorld!”

... damnit... i can't unsee that now....

EDIT: and suddenly "Part of Your World" suddenly starts playing on Pandora.....

Date: 2012-02-15 08:55 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Blackfire as Ursula then?

Date: 2012-02-15 08:56 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
heh that works for me.

Date: 2012-02-15 08:57 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Hope Silly)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
someone needs to draw all this... NOW :D

Date: 2012-02-15 09:05 pm (UTC)
tauruschick12: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tauruschick12
Love it! If this keeps up, Star and Jason might become my new favorite comicbook friendship.
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