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Later as dick gives a dedication speech to his parents. He gets interrupted by Raymond.




The book dick found are the name of Talons selected from Haly's circus because it's a testing ground for the TALONS of the Court of Owls.
Dick was suppose to be a talon but his parents deaths and Bruce feeling empathy for the young boy fouled everything up so the court took the next best canidate Raymond into the role.

Date: 2012-02-16 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I had a feeling it was something like this.

I dunno what it is, since there is potential for some interesting stuff, but what I've read of this book hasn't really grabbed me. I hope it improves after we get away from the circus.

Date: 2012-02-16 02:40 am (UTC)
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Agreed.

Date: 2012-02-16 11:24 am (UTC)
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I think my issue is that A) Nightwing's first arc is all about his past, but isn't addressing what's changed about his past in the DCnU, so it's incomplete. We still have no idea if he's the same... lynchpin I suppose, of countless characters he was before the reboot.

B) There seem to be too many sudden links to the Court of Owls appearing simultaneously and apparenly unconnectedly across the books. If they are large enough, old enough and powerful enough to be a threat of this sort, how has Batman, and even the League of Assassins no idea they exist (Damian would know if they had League dealings)

Date: 2012-02-16 04:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
The first thing doesn't really bother me--because he feels enough like the same character and, honestly, a lot of his history as Nightwing post-Titans I really just don't give two shits about.

The second...it makes sense to me because it looks like it only sends out agents like Talon when it absolutely has to, so it's very possible that the Court is this super-exclusive group hasn't really needed to take action since Batman came around, if not longer.

Date: 2012-02-16 04:36 pm (UTC)
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But it's his pre- and during- Titans membership which appear to be most "at risk", as there were now no Titans for him to be in.

Dick gained his centralised role by being Batman's sidekick for so long, during which he met most of the then current heroes, then as the Titans leader he was established in a position of authority of most subsequent young heroes, either directly, or at first remove through the heroes Titan members went on to work with.

Now with the suggestion he didn't become Robin until he was 16, and for a VERY short period of time if there have been four of them in 5 years, plus not Titans-networking, it's all very vague.

Date: 2012-02-16 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Have you read Red Hood #6 yet? It pretty much showed what I assumed to be the case all along--that Dick has history with most of the people who we once knew as the New Teen Titans, they just didn't have a formal name.

Date: 2012-02-16 07:08 pm (UTC)
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Can't answer the first question for sure but as to the second:

Has there been any evidence that the Court has power beyond Gotham City? They don't seem to be interested in anything other than keeping control of what they view as their territory which is small and profitable with minimal risk (i.e. compared to trying and failing to conquer the world).

The League of Assassins is international and has its origins in Eurasia from what I remember and is very old since they serve/are associated with Ra's al Ghul. Maybe the Court is still "new" enough (being established in America) and small enough that they slipped under the League's radar?

It certainly is difficult to explain how all these "super-secret" cults, leagues and government agencies don't end up bumping elbows with each other.

But if the Court remained mainly in Gotham it makes more sense than say how the Black Glove and the League of Assassins don't end up in conflict since they are both global in nature and have opposing goals (hedonistic and materialistic pleasures and a "cleaner" world respectively)

Date: 2012-02-16 07:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
If they're recruiting Talons from a travelling circus, then I'd say they have links beyond Gotham.

Date: 2012-02-16 07:47 pm (UTC)
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Hmm. Fair enough. But again, I don't know if they would have a national or even international reach that would make them obvious to the League of Assassins. I mean, I know Ra's has spies everywhere but would he really turn his attention to a traveling circus?

A base of operations in Gotham City with a few discrete agents in Haly's Circus and other places might still slip under the radar, but I'm no espionage expert :P

I also have no idea how Batman managed to get the technology, manpower and resources to build the Batcave, Batmobile, and Bat-space shuttle without someone getting suspicious that Bruce Wayne is embezzling billions for personal projects....

Sigh, oh comics...why do you do this to us?

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