Catwoman #6

[aeka]

I didn't think it was possible for this book to get anymore problematic, but I stand corrected.

WARNING: for graphic eroticised violence.

4 pages speak for themselves





And then the inevitable confrontation with the Dark Knight himself.





..............

Dear Winick,

Helena Wayne called. And right now she's feeling like unleashing her own personal brand of justice after the way you've shat on both her mum and dad by writing rubbish such as this. And "rubbish" is being *very* polite. This. THIS is just not "sexy" at all.

Comments

[gerardotejada]

Dont flatter him so much, he runs a big boat full of "editors" (that cant even get the series on time). It doesnt help that they have writers like T.Krull who doesnt know how to write and lose their best writers to marvel. Also there is the fact that most new characters like Ryan Choi were absolutely dull and plain (wich he has no blame of).

And if you follow the career of Bob Harras you can tell he has to be a friend with some one in DC, there is no other way he got the Job. There is a whole generation of bad editors, I think we need more editors than artist, more good editors, this wont survive a day on literary publishing business.

[mrstatham]

I think you need to get your facts straight. Only one book since DC's relaunch has been rescheduled and can be considered late. Before that, DC had relatively few books that were coming out late - Batman and Robin being an exception, and that being nothing compared to the post-Infinite Crisis days where the headlining books - Batman, Action Comics and a handful of others, were late constantly. And actually - lots of people LIKED Ryan Choi, along with Jamie Reyes and others that they introduced in order to bring a little variation into things.

[gerardotejada]

A lot of people liked Ryan Choi after he died, his book didnt sell and he was not a well round character, he had little to offer and thats dangerous if you are a minority character played to offer diversity. But I disgress.

Aritist dont have their work on time, you can see one number filled with 3 different artist in order to make it on time, The other option is get the titles with fillers like they do in Action Comics now. It is an ilusion, work is stilllate and there is no comunication, DC doesnt have good writters.

I know how things are supposed to work, I dont know bow they actually work (or if they work)

[gerardotejada]

It says DC doesnt have good writers
It should say DC doesnt have good EDITORS

[arbre_rieur]

Er, fill-in art *is* the only way to gate books out on time if the artists can't do 20 pages a month. It's unavoidable. The only alternative is to not give regular gigs to artists who can't do 20 pages a month, which moves way too many talented artists off the table.

[gerardotejada]

Im with Shooter when he says if an artist cant finish 20 pages then it is not a good artist, I know that most artist can finish on time when you push them in the right direction, there is Janín who can tell you that.

Everything else is an excuse, trust me, I know about publishing and the effort you take on a children's book it has to be the same or more work than a comic book, everything is handed on time even if it means at the last moment.

[arbre_rieur]

George Perez, Jim Aparo, Neal Adams -- not good artists. At least by Shooter's logic. A comic industry that had no place for them is the poorer for their absence.

Janin can only speak for himself, not other artists who might or might not be able to work at the same speed. Also, there's a difference between "finish on time" and "finish on time while working reasonable hours." Don Heck was able to do a monthly book, month in and month out. He also ended up divorced because, in his own words, his wife got tired of always looking at the back of his head.

[gerardotejada]

Perez had not such problems, In my world if an artist cant complete an Issue then he/her is not a good artist.

Thats the world I see, I been researching about children books were the cordination with the artist is half the battle. Another thing DC used to do (and still do sometimes) is giving their artist and writers more than they can do.

You tell me is impossible to have good art at time, I tell you, you dont know anything at how editorials work.

Besides most artist now neglect the aid of the inker, mainly because they know they have "more time", Its only a theory.

And Im not going to argue About a divorce. A artist who is not on time is not a great artist, and Im not speaking about a little late

Example: Action Comics, 5 Issues, 4 artists, mainly because the main one cant get his work on time. As Scott Kurtz sometime said, comic artists make too much excuses for not beign able to do their jobs.

[arbre_rieur]

Crisis and Perez' Teen Titans run didn't have fill-ins? I'm positive that's not the case. It's been said that when he was made Avengers penciler for the Busiek run, people were making bets as to how soon he'd need a fill-in. That's how well known his speed was.

Anyway, what about Adams and Aparo? You think they never should have been given work?

Artists should complete work on time, yes, but on time is not necessarily 20 pages a month because some people just can't keep that up on a regular basis. The current DAREDEVIL run has two regular pencilers who alternate between story arcs because editorial knows they can't maintain a monthly schedule. By alternating, the book still comes out monthly. Those guys aren't individually delivering 22 pages every month, but they're not late; they're working at the speed they and Marvel agreed on, and by planning accordingly the book still comes out on time each month. What exactly is wrong with such a setup?

[icon_uk]

A lot of people liked Ryan Choi after he died, his book didnt sell and he was not a well round character, he had little to offer and thats dangerous if you are a minority character played to offer diversity. But I disgress.

Ryan Choi's Atom title lasted longer than ANY solo series featuring Ray Palmer ever has, and indeed, based on comments from Jim Lee Ryan Choi is coming BACK as the Atom in the DCnU, rather than Palmer.

[gerardotejada]

Yeah, 25 issues of Ryan Choi vs 38 Issues of Ray Palmer without counting the 140 numbers of the Justice League where he was featured as a main member, Or the 46 issues of Atom & Hawkman, not counting Sword of The Atom or Power of The Atom.

Ray Palmer had a GREAT PAST while Ryan Choi only had a POTENTIAL FUTURE, to be fair it is not the Character's fault, Gail Simone was writing other stuff and It shows, besides he was based on dropped ideas by Grant Morrison.

DC send Ryan Choi to his death, now he is coming back so DC can show some diversity without actually writing It.

Jaime Reyes, thats a cool character, his famiky dinamics was the same as most south american homes and was treated with respect. Kate Kane is not only gay but inspires the whole comunity, soemthing to be proud of.

Is wrong to make a character to claim divesity, diversity is something you only aim because of the readers, to inspire them. if not then you onky create characters that would end forgoten.

[icon_uk]

My apologies, I was overlooking the original title in my count for Ray.

DC send Ryan Choi to his death, now he is coming back so DC can show some diversity without actually writing It.

On what grounds do you base that assertion?

[gerardotejada]

On my growing pessimism, you got me there.

In the best case scenario the series will get cancelled when the whole reboot is gone (2 years, 3 tops). I base that in the numbers going down, we have seen other similar strategies that goes down when the company finds a better way to profit.

22 series are going down in the numbers and would be probably remplaced in a year or less.

I hope I am wrong, after all Ryan Choi is pretty much an open canvas. But DC has managed to ruin series like Blue Beetle and Static Shock (even if Static had a huge fanbase)