Date: 2012-03-02 01:43 pm (UTC)
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The thing is, Marvel's thing, as much bullshit as it is, is 'realism'. They like to claim that they have more identifiable characters (Which, looking at say, just a random selection of Tony Stark, Reed Richards and say... Namor, is bullshit), more realistic settings, and so on. Using the actual President at the time of a story's publication has always been a Marvel thing, even before the Bush era.

As it is, I don't think DC had an Obama-equivalent during New Krypton. They had that nonsense political series written by, of all people, Judd Winnick and Bill Willingham as a prelude to the new DCU president being elected.

Date: 2012-03-02 02:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benuben
Well, there is that scene of Obama telling "America needs you" or something like that in Action Comics 901 and really black president in Flashpoint.

Ugh, I don't hate Judd Winnick, but the guy is propably the most hit and miss writer I've ever seen. He's the worst and best writer at the same time.
My theory is, that he does research, but he almost never reads the stories.

I wonder, what people here think of his Green Arrow run. I don't think it was the worst thing he ever done, but it has some huge problems. It's like he understands these characters, but he makes them do is wrong.

Date: 2012-03-02 03:25 pm (UTC)
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I loathed his Green Arrow run. I could understand what he was trying to do with Ollie - bringing back in some of his psychological weaknesses like women, but Winnick did it at entirely the wrong time - Smith took a good long while reestablishing Ollie and Dinah as something that *could* work, to me, albeit with it being a little rocky. Winnick trashed that to the point there's little wonder Gail Simone decided to use Oracle as a mouthpiece against the pair getting married.

Date: 2012-03-02 07:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benuben
The thing is, I can buy it, if he did it like in volume 7. But seriously? The first story? The guy came back from death to be with her! Again, he definetly does research, but I doubt he actualy reads any of it (you can see it most in his Batman and Robin story)

I think hes good character writer, it's the storylines, that he doesn't do well. Also, he uses the same. Vilains. All over again. The plot is often all over the place,

And what do you mean "could" work? I though it worked perfectly in Grells run.

Date: 2012-03-02 07:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Yeah, but the stuff during and after Grell's run contributed to the idea of Ollie as a womaniser, I believe, thus painting him in a bad light and someone not good enough for Black Canary. When Winnick immediately returned to that characterisation, I don't think it helped Gail's perspective. I don't think Winnick is a good writer at all. His current Catwoman, for instance, is easily the worst of the Batman bunch in the new52.

Date: 2012-03-02 09:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] benuben
But Grell also potrayed Ollie as a man, who despite all his flaws, tries as best as he can and that he honestly loves Dinah and triesto threat her as she deserves, even if hes not really good at it.

Man, I love Green Arrow so much.

Was there any good book in existence, that the author described as "edgy"?

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