salinea: Xavier & Magneto fist bumping, "Xav/Mag OTP" (shipping)Etrangere ([personal profile] salinea) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily,
@ 2012-03-13 01:37 am UTC
Entry tags:char: cyclops/scott summers, char: storm/ororo munroe, creator: greg land, creator: kieron gillen, title: uncanny x-men
So the recent UXM was interesting, but more importantly, it had this... parallel thingy that provides fodder for slashing. Really, it does. Kieron Gillen said it does:

Pretentious (and inaccurately) I think of the issue as the leitmotif for my whole run. In the small story, you can see the whole picture. It's certainly the tightest example of how I'm using the villains in my post-relaunch issues. As in, I'm exploring them as a compare and contrast with the current situation of mutantkind, and as dark possible futures. This is the first time I've explicitly mentioned this, but every primary antagonist they meet is the last member of another species. The Phalanx is driven mad by the loneliness. The Savage and the Immortal Man are dual custodians of a people's past, fighting over what really matters. Sinister is a new species of one person — which of course simultaneously also makes him the last. And as readers of S.W.O.R.D. will know, UNIT is a very friendly ends-justify-the-means final-artifact-of-a-long-dead-people, with an ethical calculus that justifies infinite genocides to achieve their aim. When I'm writing about the villains, I'm really using it to explore the question of mutantkind and their current position as a species on the cusp of annihilation, and where that can drive you.

They're also useful for fights. Big ol' fights. Honestly, there's punching. It's not just metaphors. There's often metaphors you can punch, which are the best kind of metaphors.
Source is a Newsarama interview

They are also metaphors that you can slash, which are the very best kind of metaphors!

So we have this capsule, accelerated time aged world from which the Savage and the Immortal Man are the dual custodians of a people's past. Let the Savage explains their story:











Okay, so one's a benevolent if very condescending guy, and his old friend, even more arrogant, is not so kind - even irrationally so. I think the parallel is clear enough. What does the Immortal Man has to say for himself?


... wait, "unwife"?









Yeaaaah, the parallel haven't gotten any less obvious, but this "unwife" business, is it really as shippy as it sounds?





Yes, yes, it is.


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shadowpsykie: Information (Oracle)


[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-03-13 01:03 am UTC (link)
hmm... this is surprisingly deep... i might have to pick this up....

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salinea: (chagall)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 04:07 am UTC (link)
woot! I definitely think Gillen's run is worth checking out, despite the occasional Land art.

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[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-03-13 04:19 am UTC (link)
see the thing is i don't necisarrily hate Land's art... from time to time i actually like it... but then every now and then you will get that one weird panel... with the open mouth... or the dead eyes... or the souless/Soul sucking eyes.

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salinea: (chagall)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 04:29 am UTC (link)
You're lucky. I have a strong DO NOT WANT reaction to it. It's not even the porn face aspect; it's just very uncanny valley to me.

So yeaah, souless eyes XD

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[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-03-13 04:36 am UTC (link)
heh yeah i know what you mean its like. oh that's really AHHHH MY SOUUUUUULLLL!

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[personal profile] biod
2012-03-14 04:51 pm UTC (link)
Land's art is more than tolerable to me as long as he isn't focussing on human faces or women.
So, not often, unfortunately.

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[personal profile] brooms
2012-03-13 03:53 am UTC (link)
this was so ultimate!charles/erik meet first class fandom.

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salinea: Emma Frost, sitting comfortably (chill)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 03:58 am UTC (link)
I just love how deliberate it is XD

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[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-03-13 04:17 am UTC (link)
hmmm i didn't see it... now i do... fascinating

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salinea: Xavier & Magneto fist bumping, "Xav/Mag OTP" (shipping)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 04:33 am UTC (link)
it kind of jumped out to me :)

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[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-03-13 04:36 am UTC (link)
heh keep in mind, this is the only pages i have read of this, i am saving uncanny for Lui's

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salinea: (chagall)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 04:37 am UTC (link)
Liu's going to be on Astonishing, not Uncanny.

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[personal profile] shadowpsykie
2012-03-13 04:39 am UTC (link)
... that's what i meant.... :P

sorry my head is full of victorian lit facts. their titles are VERY long, and there are very.... different philosophies at work... im taking a break to see if i can go back and remember.

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[personal profile] skywaterblue
2012-03-13 04:13 am UTC (link)
Yeah, yeah, Charles/Erik is obvious. It's so Doctor/Master for me!

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salinea: (chagall)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 04:28 am UTC (link)
If I was into Who, I'd probably agree with you :)

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[personal profile] darkknightjrk
2012-03-13 04:16 am UTC (link)
I don't think it's slashing when it's pretty much telling you what's going on in-story. I also don't understand what the quote from Gillen has to do with it.

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salinea: (chagall)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 04:28 am UTC (link)
Oh, sorry for not spelling it out.

The Immortal Man and the Savage are meant to parallel the classic positions (and characters) of Magneto and Xavier.

The Immortal Man and the Savage are in a canonical epic, tragic romance.

Therefore, Magneto and Xavier are metaphorically slashed.

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[personal profile] darkknightjrk
2012-03-13 04:31 am UTC (link)
Oh, oh, okay, I thought you meant slashing between the Immortal Man and Savage--or "Good Apex and Bad Apex."

I don't know if it's my pairing bias' showing, but the bit about the two never deciding on who would be the wife reminded me more of Batman/Catwoman. XD

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[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 04:36 am UTC (link)
That's another interpretation, although one that seems more remote from the text.

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[personal profile] brooms
2012-03-13 04:49 am UTC (link)
i'm starting to think kieron gillen could have written 10 entire pages of these "old friends" who are "dual custodians of a people's past, fighting over what really matters" playing the apex' version of chess, complete with magneto interjecting that these folks' relationship is reminding him of SOMETHING... and the penny still wouldn't have dropped for a lot of readers.

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salinea: (chagall)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 10:11 am UTC (link)
Some people do not like metaphors :/

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[personal profile] blackruzsa
2012-03-13 02:05 pm UTC (link)
The subtext needs its hammer time :)

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[personal profile] flo_nelja
2012-03-13 06:59 am UTC (link)
Yeah, tu l'as posté ! Et tu as raison, c'est assez clairement évident. ^^;; Il y a des gens qui s'amusent avec leurs métaphores. ^^

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salinea: kid!Loki, smiling adorably (*g*)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 10:11 am UTC (link)
:D

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Not loving this, sorry.


[personal profile] tessiebee
2012-03-13 09:16 am UTC (link)
I mean the Mags/Xav is meant to be cute but come on 'each would prefer the other to be the wife'?

God forbid a big strong genius creature should choose to become *gulp* a wife.
I cannot be the only one to see the problems here...

Plus not touching the obviously axe-crazy Magneto counterpart. 'Bad Apex' my bum.

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salinea: (chagall)

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[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 10:10 am UTC (link)
but come on 'each would prefer the other to be the wife'?
Yeah, I agree the formulation is problematic, especially thrown in like this as a joke and without anymore linguistic explanation that would make it sound less weirdly sexist & homophobic.


Plus not touching the obviously axe-crazy Magneto counterpart. 'Bad Apex' my bum.

I don't mind it too much, because it's not like it's a perfect parallel.

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[personal profile] tessiebee
2012-03-13 10:15 am UTC (link)
Thanks, was feeling a little all on my own there :)

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[personal profile] okkult3000
2012-03-13 01:46 pm UTC (link)
I have yet to understand why some things are condemned and others are praised. If Jeph Loeb or Rob Liefeld had written that bit about neither character wanting to be the "girl" in the relationship, there would be an outcry.

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brooms: (idc)

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[personal profile] brooms
2012-03-13 06:51 pm UTC (link)
i assumed he was talking about procreating (he mentioned breeding), not gender roles. if the apex are viviparous and "wife" is shorthand for "the one who carries the embryo and gives birth", i can see why a species where individuals can chose their reproductive roles would swing toward "husband".

gestating is by far the most biologically demanding and riskier option.

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[personal profile] tessiebee
2012-03-13 07:18 pm UTC (link)
All very true.

I still take issue with it, as it comes across as a demeaning role as well.

Good apex defines the unwife as he (and by exention himself as they are both the same) so the choice to go from 'he' to 'she' is a step neither wants to take.

To me that gives it a feel of a bad move, a negative step that they want the other to have to deal with. I get connotations of 'no,* you * lose, I want to remain as a brilliant genius thing' and to be fair, brilliant geniuses in comics tend to default to male anyway.


I'm not well versed in feminism and patricarchy (learning a lot from this comm) but this just really rubbed me up the wrong way. I'd like to see more educated posters like yourself explain their take on it.


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brooms: (bridget)

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[personal profile] brooms
2012-03-13 11:25 pm UTC (link)
ha, i doubt i'm more educated on feminism than anyone in this community.

I still take issue with it, as it comes across as a demeaning role as well. (...) To me that gives it a feel of a bad move, a negative step that they want the other to have to deal with.

i understand. that was not my initial impression, tbh, but maybe i'm giving gillen more credit than he deserves, and maybe the articles i've been reading about the history of the pill lately colored how i interpreted this.

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[personal profile] blackruzsa
2012-03-14 01:17 am UTC (link)
This is what I thought too. Supposing that they were supposed to go into a reproductive pair and neither of them want to be doing the producing part of the reproducing, there's a clash of personalities.

I don't think it's sexist so much as it's two people afraid to take on the arguably larger responsibility.

Although they may have to rethink that now that the rest of their people aren't up for the job :I

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[personal profile] sir_mikael
2012-03-13 07:31 pm UTC (link)
As much as I enjoy implied Xavie/Magneto slash I agree.

Also doesn't it feel like the conflict will likely end with them actually picking genders/reproductive roles and birthin new Apex babies?

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[personal profile] pyrrhocorax
2012-03-18 01:19 pm UTC (link)
I thought it was going to be different sort of relationship, an epic rivalry marrige (like kismesissitude in Homestuck) and every Apex has a Wife and an Unwife. Cool! Then I got to the bit when we find out that no, it's just that neither of them want to be the girl and went :/

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[personal profile] lieut_kettch
2012-03-13 01:39 pm UTC (link)
Can we have "Good Apex" join the X-Club and have many snark-filled adventures with Dr. Nemesis?

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[personal profile] joasakura
2012-03-13 04:55 pm UTC (link)
only if the starfish is still there.

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[personal profile] blackruzsa
2012-03-13 02:06 pm UTC (link)
Good Apex must stay.
This is a really lovely thing to return to <3 Haven;t been on S_D in a while.

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[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 02:10 pm UTC (link)
welcome back!

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[personal profile] blackruzsa
2012-03-13 02:48 pm UTC (link)
Thank you!
I'd say glad to be back but lately, comics have been disappointments piled on disappointments, and the ones I follow are going, going, gone ):

Still, S_D is a lovely place to be on an off day.

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salinea: (chagall)


[personal profile] salinea
2012-03-13 03:29 pm UTC (link)
yeah, I know what you mean, I had a hard time being excited about most things right now; at least outside of X-books. Between DCnU and the cancellation of several the series I liked, it is not an ideal time :/

But I do love the S_D community ♥

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[personal profile] biod
2012-03-14 04:50 pm UTC (link)
Oh my word, it's Prothy the Prothean in his incredibly rapid extra-canon appearance!
Bioware wastes no time in expanding the influence of their characters across all media.

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[personal profile] quatoria
2012-03-19 02:49 am UTC (link)
Haha. I have to admit, I was hearing his voice in some of those lines of dialogue. "They used to eat flies."

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[personal profile] pyrrhocorax
2012-03-18 01:20 pm UTC (link)
I love the way their faces keep changing shape, not sure why though. Maybe in response to light levels?

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