aeka: (Power Girl [modcon]:)
[personal profile] aeka posting in [community profile] scans_daily
Greetings [community profile] scans_daily members!

We just want to inform everyone of the changes that have been made to [community profile] scans_daily's rules, so please be sure to check those out when you have the time.

There weren't too many significant changes to the user info page for the most part, but I do want to point out that we did mostly modified the posting rules so that they're hopefully more clear. Rules of conduct are still the same as before.

Notable changes:

1. Every post must have as its primary subject at least one image from a comic book, manga, newspaper comic strips, or webcomic. Any comic-related news, interviews, videos, movie/tv trailers, essays or articles containing no scans, etc, do not count as primary posts and a "legality scan" does not make your post legal. Please head over to [livejournal.com profile] noscans_daily for such discussions. The only time we'll make exceptions is if the aforementioned supports any ideas, topics, or issues shown in any of the scans you post, but other than that, "scans for legality" is no more.

2. LJ-cuts are required for any post which contains more than one image. In addition, any spoilers or nsfw content must be behind your lj-cut. For non-recent comics, you may have one preview image no larger than 400 x 300 pixels outside the cut provided that it has no spoilers or nsfw content. Absolutely NO panel from a comic released that is the most current issue of its series may be featured outside of a cut, however unspoilery it is.

3. Any post that contains potentially triggery scans and discussion -- such as extreme violence/gore, sexual violence, abuse, self-harm, and offensive and oppressive content -- must be posted under an adequate Warning before the cut, tagged as such, and framed with sensitivity in the post. In addition, NSFW posts need to posted with an 18+ age restriction filter and clearly labeled and tagged as such.


Another notable change we made is that in addition to reporting any members who demonstrate any oppressive behaviour or make any discriminatory remarks to the mod team, we now allow you to report any mods who are seen demonstrating these things as well:

Note: Please contact a moderator immediately if you see another member making discriminatory remarks. Similarly, if you ever feel or encounter a mod demonstrating discriminatory behaviour on scans_daily, PLEASE NOTIFY ONE OF THE OTHER MODS DIRECTLY and we will take it from there.


I will be posting an updated version of the posting checklist shortly after this post to further clarify posting expectations, but do check out [personal profile] salinea's updated tagging tutorial if you haven't already!

One thing that we haven't been able to decide on over at the mod comm is whether or not to keep "Fanart Thursdays" here on [community profile] scans_daily or move it over to our sister comm on LJ, [livejournal.com profile] noscans_daily, so we've decided to let you guys vote on that! :)

**I want to especially note that if we do decide to keep it here on S_D, this will be the ONLY time you won't need a scan for your primary post!**

Poll #9934 Fanart Thursdays
Open to: Registered Users, detailed results viewable to: All, participants: 84


Where shall we feature 'Fanart Thursdays?'

View Answers

Keep on Scans Daily. We feel it's appropriate material for the comm.
66 (78.6%)

Move it to NoScans Daily. The comm could use more traffic!
18 (21.4%)



↓ If you have any questions regarding any of the changes, feel free to ask in the comments section! ↓

Date: 2012-03-21 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetclm.livejournal.com
"comic book, manga, or webcomic" would seem to exclude newspaper strips. Is this intentional?

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Date: 2012-03-21 06:26 pm (UTC)
salinea: Deadpool has a fucking horned hat on and is ready to kick gum and chew ass. Errr, moderate s_d. (mod hat)
From: [personal profile] salinea
No, anything sequential art is good. We only listed the most frequent genres of sequential art that are posted on S_D in that. Manwha, Bande Dessinées, Historietas, Komiks, etc. are also fine.

Date: 2012-03-21 06:59 pm (UTC)
shanejayell: (Nao_WTF)
From: [personal profile] shanejayell
I'm.. not seeing why you're cutting off comicbook news posts. Other than trying to increase noscandaily's numbers, of course. Is this a decision just made by the moderators? I'd have at least appreciated a poll or something asking members what they thought. Seems rather high handed.

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Date: 2012-03-21 07:28 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Whilst I will, of course, abide by the decision, I have to say I'm not at all convinced that splitting the focus across two groups is the best choice. I found the variety entertaining and easier to find all in one place. I rarely found myself thinking "This should be on noscans".

As for "Fanart Thursday" shifting, the argument "The comm could use more traffic!" even in jest seems to be wanting to move it solely for that reason which doesn't seem a proper reason to me. Was whether noscans serves a valid function at all anymore considered as a question?

Date: 2012-03-21 07:32 pm (UTC)
shanejayell: (Question)
From: [personal profile] shanejayell
Plus, I thought there were issues about posting comic-book stuff on Livejournal. Wasn't that the reason the first SD was shut down in the first place?

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Date: 2012-03-21 10:51 pm (UTC)
mynondw: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mynondw
Some of us don't even use livejournal anymore. :/

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Date: 2012-03-21 07:46 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Also, out of curiosity (and vested interest :) ), would the likes of commissions postings also be expected to be on noscans? Despite having scans of comic characters?

Date: 2012-03-21 07:50 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Good question. Speaking for myself, I see them in the same way I do fanart - so if the comm decides to keep fanarts on S_D, so do commissions.

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Date: 2012-03-21 08:28 pm (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
I have to say I'm disappointed.
I've been on S_D for a while (I was part of the LJ comm for a little while before it got shut down)

I've always appreciated S_D as a place for discussion, and it just seems arbitrary and annoying for me, because instead of going to one place for my comics news, now I need to go to two places.

I know that's a minor gripe, but I have no interest in using noscans and I feel like restricting S_D to gain traffic on noscans seems very anti-productive or responsive to the wants of the users and members.

Date: 2012-03-21 08:32 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
You can get them on one feed y'know..

For more info on why we feel this way, check my comments above.

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Date: 2012-03-21 08:32 pm (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
Thank you! Generally playing fast and loose with legality scans and the purpose of this community has been bothering me for a while, but did not want to bring it up for the sake of keeping the peace.
I hope everybody understands that this isn't an attack on any poster in particular, but more of an effort to streamline the profile of the community overall.

Date: 2012-03-21 08:36 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
Ian_karkull! An agreement! Bunches of flowers for you.

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Date: 2012-03-21 08:56 pm (UTC)
simiansyndicate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
Y'know, I've been around since year one of s_d, back on the LJ days, but I don't speak up often. I usually only do so when I think I really absolutely need to.

This is one of those moments.

I always loved S_D, as it was the perfect one-stop shop for all things comic-book-y. Was there a new series coming up? Awesome! I'd hear about it first here. Is a movie coming up based on a comic property (popular or obscure)? I'd hear about that movie AND the comic it was based on. Was there an interview or statement made by a comic creator that does have an effect on the comic community, but doesn't really have to do with a particular comic? I'd see it here, and it wouldn't be possible without a legality scan (which often led to hilarious "presented without context" moments).

I never made a presence on NS_D, because I honestly never saw the point. S_D had everything I needed.

S_D was convenient, informative, and as a far as I could tell, not too many people were complaining about the way things were done. I don't have access to any personal messages, maybe there were some issues with that format. I dunno. What I do feel certain of is that this rule seems restricting, and is certainly divisive. So I'm going to have to check out S_D AND NS_D, a community I've never been interested in being a part of, to get all the news/posts of interest/great commission art that I was getting in one place? All that is going to do is make me 1) not visit NS_D (like I already do), and 2) visit S_D less, which is a damn shame. I'd like to think that I'm not the only community member with this mindset, but that's just me.

In other words, it seems like a rule that, while it has good intentions, would have some negative effects on S_D.

I'll be taking my seat in the back again, now. Just wanted to get that out there.

Date: 2012-03-21 09:17 pm (UTC)
ian_karkull: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ian_karkull
I've been around since the early days and a generally more low-profile member as well (whatever happened to bluefall? Her essays seem like a perfect example for something that would be allowed, even encouraged under the new rules), and I've seen a lot of things and honestly, when there's posts floating around about Silvia Plath's son committing suicide, with a random comic page slapped on to follow the letter but not the spirit of the law, I think regulations that are a little stricter are loooong overdue.

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Date: 2012-03-21 09:03 pm (UTC)
angelophile: (Rushmore)
From: [personal profile] angelophile
Scans_Daily. Scans_Daily. SCANS_Daily.

Yeah, I'm totally okay with this.

Date: 2012-03-21 09:11 pm (UTC)
chaobell: (entei: dude wtf)
From: [personal profile] chaobell
Hey, guys? If you want to put the important parts of a post that you really want people to read on a pale blue background to emphasize them, that's fine--but if you don't also specify a contrasting text color, people whose style has light text on a dark background see this:



Just saying.

Date: 2012-03-22 03:57 am (UTC)
kamino_neko: Kamino Neko's default icon... (Default)
From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
Yeah, this. Drives me nuts when people do that.

Date: 2012-03-21 11:15 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] the_eleven
Dislike. I understand the issue with posts about, say, the descendants of poets whose careers were irrelevant to comics, but I like news posts AND legality scans (some of them are hilarious!). I do not think you need to ban the entire category of 'funny posts about comics with a tangential scan' to address the issue of 'UNFUNNY posts NOT about comics with a tangential scan.'

NoScans Daily, which was designed specifically for

making sure we could hang out on Livejournal and talk about where we were going to post scans without getting TOS'd because we were posting scans there. I guess it got turned into something else...something that, I would like to note, may be producing underwhelming amounts of traffic and commentary for good reason...but whatever it is now is not why it was registered or had any of its initial members join.

Date: 2012-03-22 09:19 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
The reason that I see is that people started posting more non-scan stuff here, tbh.

Date: 2012-03-22 12:17 am (UTC)
nefrekeptah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nefrekeptah
so does this mean we can't post anything about the Legend of Korra or Young Justice anymore, since neither of those things are comics?

Date: 2012-03-22 12:39 am (UTC)
simiansyndicate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
An excellent point! I've enjoyed espanolbot's posts on these topics myself...would they have to be relegated to another community?

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Date: 2012-03-22 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] arilou_skiff
Add me as another person who dislikes it. As long as the stories are comics-related I think they should be allowd on S_D with a legality scan. Splitting it up into two communities just seems to be a lot of work for no real benefit. (especially as you have different accounts to access the two communities)

noscans_daily always felt like a temporary measure, something to do while the comm found a new home. If it's not getting much traffic, might as well let it pass away in peace.

Date: 2012-03-22 01:55 am (UTC)
mistygeek: (Lady Blackhawk)
From: [personal profile] mistygeek
See, I'd agree with this, if only it were possible to get dreamwidth accounts. I had to wait a long time to get one, and I cant help others get them now.

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Date: 2012-03-22 04:44 am (UTC)
deleonjh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deleonjh
All this talk about, "Oh, just follow the comms on your RSS reader" is missing one salient point - how much of a bastard it is to get an RSS reader to display locked posts. I still cannot for the life of me figure out how to get Netvibes to do that and I think it might not be possible at all yet for Dreamwidth.

Date: 2012-03-22 06:30 am (UTC)
salinea: Subaru is confused (*???*)
From: [personal profile] salinea
... but I don't believe posts on noscans (or s_d for that matter) are ever flocked?

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Date: 2012-03-22 10:52 am (UTC)
julian: Picture of Julian Street. (Default)
From: [personal profile] julian
Fanart's a big part of comics fandom. (Or, well, some people's experience of comics fandom.)

Keep it on here.

Date: 2012-03-22 03:06 pm (UTC)
pyrrhocorax: It is XS! She is running! (XS)
From: [personal profile] pyrrhocorax
I'd rather not use a lj comm. I've moved to dreamwidth now, and my computer really doesn't like lj. Maybe noscan_daily could be mirrored to dreamwidth? (Yes, I know about feeds, but that ignores commenting.)

Date: 2012-03-22 09:02 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
We have been discussing that - the trouble is that we're not sure how to make sure everyone interested has a dreamwidth account, and of course some people won't want to leave lj.

We may well poll it soon, if there's interest.

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Date: 2012-03-22 04:10 pm (UTC)
shanejayell: (Question)
From: [personal profile] shanejayell
To my general amusement, I've gotten a warning over on the NoScans comm for stuff I did here. (Even Linking to comments here) Which doesn't seem to make sense, since they are seperate comms. Apparently modded by the same people though.

http://noscans-daily.livejournal.com/511754.html?nc=9#comments

Date: 2012-03-22 07:44 pm (UTC)
newnumber6: (themainpoint)
From: [personal profile] newnumber6
Sorry, (not that anyone cares about me specifically) I'm in the "hate this" camp. All this change means to me is that it's yet another reason for me to be here less often.

I like news on comic-related things. And I LIKE legality scans - I might never click on say, a "Flash" post, because I'm not very interested in the Flash. But if it's attached to a news article, I'll usually check out the scan while I'm at it, and may end up discovering something cool I'd not otherwise see. That's a big part of the character of scans_daily for me... discovering something cool I'd not otherwise see. That includes the news posts. If I'm not all that thrilled with what comics are doing right now (and the majority of posts seem to be about "what's going on right now"), and there's nothing like occasional news posts to have me popping up here, what's the reason for someone like me to keep checking s_d on a regular basis? For the odd post where somebody posts a classic bit I love? I'm also just not interested in using a RSS feed, or visiting two discussion sites on a regular basis.

noscans_daily isn't just "a community for discussing general comic related topics". It's a community specifically where SCANS ARE NOT ALLOWED. If we get into a discussion about the latest news on noscans, and someone brings up like "this isn't the first time company X did thing Y to character Z..." you can't prove it by posting a scan, like you could here, you'd have to start a completely different post on here.

So I can't actually get 'a discussion forum for discussing news, where scans are allowed' under these new rules, even if I DO follow both sites. I'd have to find a third. If I'm going to do that, I'd rather find just one that just has more relaxed rules overall.

Anyway, hoping the policy gets changed, but I doubt it, it seems like you've all made up your minds already.

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Date: 2012-03-24 05:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] sleepymax
The only problem I'm gonna have is know who is who on LJ. Some members have different names and don't always use the same icons.

Date: 2012-03-27 11:50 pm (UTC)
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While I can see the point about the differing-yet-tangential purposes of the two comms in theory, I personally would prefer a looser handling of the matter where there is some overlap. And I would strongly, STRONGLY have preferred for the community at large to be consulted about changes to the rules and changing enforcement of them before they were put in effect by fiat.

I think this whole business has been handled in a poorly-considered manner, and defensive/hostile Mod responses to dissent, particularly in the case of [personal profile] shanejayell being banned, do not give me the impression that our feedback is being treated in good faith.

Date: 2012-04-07 07:50 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for the support. :D

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