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icon_uk ([personal profile] icon_uk) wrote in [community profile] scans_daily2012-03-21 07:46 pm

Nightwing #07 - now with Bruce

Though he's not in the page I have scanned.

When the preview was posted, many commented on how tired they were with villains blaming the wrong people for their ills.

Turns out, those posters weren't alone....

Later on, We see the same conversation (more or less) that Dick and Bruce have in Batman, though as one might expect, Bruce has less to say, and Dick a little more (It IS his comic after all)

The punch scene is also there, though it's even less clear that Bruce is punching him on order to facilitate a tooth extraction.

Also, as the story arc ends (with some annoying loose ends, especially the final scene with Raya) we have Dick pondering (rather tritely IMHO); "We're not defined by our tragedies or turning points. We're defined by the choices we make in the face of them"

Aside from this story basically failing to establish Dick's role in the DCnU, in light of the many changes which have been made to his past by the reboot (No Titans for him to have led... A MUCH shorter heroic career... Not owning the Haly Circus already, etc), the theme of this arc has seemed to be that "Dick has always run away from his past towards new things" when the point always was that he doesn't RUN from his past, he's MOVED ON from his past, that's a very different thing;

Bruce is defined by that one tragedy in his life. Dick isn't, mostly BECAUSE of Bruce's involvement in his life. It shaped him, guided him, but it didn't define him.

Still, it's been a very pretty arc (even if I do miss the blue)
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[personal profile] greenmask 2012-03-21 08:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Still reads as a pretty tired vendetta to me, alas.

It's not like the fact that the one they wanted got away makes it Dick's FAULT that they turned to second best, is it? They're in exactly the same position as before.

I think it might be the action-art clashing with the emotional trauma, for me. It just seems a bit silly.
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[personal profile] greenmask 2012-03-21 08:57 pm (UTC)(link)
He's a good boy!

[personal profile] jlbarnett 2012-03-21 11:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm tired of all the fate, behind the scenes conspiracy stuff DC is pulling these days
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[personal profile] coldfiredragon 2012-03-22 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
I was really happy with the resolution of the arc, and with the crossover scene that this issue shared with Batman. Its the first time in a long time I've seen a crossover that's actually handled in both books and done well in my opinion.
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[personal profile] sistermagpie 2012-03-22 02:39 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with your take on this arc, though I haven't read this issue yet. The idea that Dick "ran away" from the past is just completely ridiculous. He was a kid (even in this arc where they're desperately trying to make him as old as possible because they're scared of Bruce seeming too old) who was orphaned and adopted by a billionaire. His parents' death was a traumatic experience Bruce helped him get through by being a father to him. Not only do I not like Haley's being a front for an assassin's league, I don't like it being filled with people like this. Their friend lost his parents and they see themselves as the real victims. They just suck.

I mean, you *could* do a character who was resentful of Dick's post-circus life and it could be interesting (a different--possibly more interesting--twist on Tommy Eliot). But this arc just made the whole circus rather annoying to me and Haley's should never annoy me.

What's funny is one of the things I've adored about Batman is how old school Batman & Robin it is with Bruce and Dick.
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[personal profile] eyz 2012-03-22 09:00 am (UTC)(link)
I'm actually okay with this book, so far.
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[personal profile] eyz 2012-03-22 09:01 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's getting ridiculously way too overused across all their books...

[personal profile] md84 2012-03-22 03:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It's kind of funny that the deaths of Dick and Bruce's parents seem to be the only terrible things the Court DIDN'T mastermind in Gotham. If anything, the deaths of the Flying Graysons and the Waynes threw a monkeywrench in the Court's millenia old plans. The Waynes' demise gave rise to Batman and the Graysons' untimely death deprived them of what could potentially have been their best Talon ever.
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[personal profile] sistermagpie 2012-03-22 03:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh right! I remember him now. But yeah, the idea is still a good one, even if it hasn't been done well so far. If someone's going to be like the way Dick could have been if he went the wrong way, he shouldn't be whining about how it's Dick's fault.
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[personal profile] pyrrhocorax 2012-03-22 03:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Now Nightwing's red/black too, I keep getting my bats mixed up!
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[personal profile] sistermagpie 2012-03-22 03:57 pm (UTC)(link)
It would be interesting! I love the idea of the Graysons murder having unforseen consequences to other people there (though I hate it when they pretend the Graysons were "like a family" to some other kid to set Dick up to look selfish for thinking he was an only child) that led to Raymond being a Talon. It would be a great beginning that could make Raymond a really interesting character, especially if he knew Dick was first choice.
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[personal profile] junipepper 2012-03-22 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't know this character. I love Dick Grayson, he's one of my favorite characters ever, but that was the guy that

-was taken in by Bruce Wayne at a young enough age that Bruce and Alfred became his family in a real way, and the Manor became his home
-became Robin at a very young age, faced brutally hard situations and learned from them so that he
-became a team leader in his mid-teens, and managed to garner the respect of nearly everyone, superheroes and regular joes
-went out on his own. Screwed up. Grew up.
-had a long, complicated, sort-of affair with Oracle (remember her?)
-became the big brother to Tim Drake, an important relationship for both of them
-stepped up to be Batman when needed (Yes, I know this version is supposed to have done that, but it's really hard to picture)
-was willing and able to give Damien the time and attention and endless patience needed to help him become a human being (more or less)
-and way too many other things to list

This Dick Grayson -- isn't that guy. He's not even what that guy was at age 21. He doesn't have the depth. I'm sure I'm reading some of this in due to the revised history being on my mind, but then -- I was always reading him with his history in mind, same as any other character.

I just can't fall in love with nU!Dick. The book isn't bad; it just isn't Nightwing. As always, YMMV. This is my opinion.