scans_daily: Resistance will be DELETED

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@ 2012-03-25 02:02 pm UTC

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char: cypher/doug ramsey, char: warlock, creator: jk woodward, genre: commission, genre: previews, title: doctor who, title: star trek

Resistance will be DELETED

Saw this cover for Doctor Who/Star Trek #2 in JK Woodward's portfolio at the London Super Comic Con and have been waiting for it to surface online so I could post it.

That industrial steel finish is SO 21st Century, whereas black NEVER goes out of style.

This is from JK Woodward's own blog so seems fair game to post! :)

This is still in transit to me, but posting this cover proved too perfect an opportunity to share the scan of it I got from JK! (His pens ran out of ink before he could finish it on the weekend of the Convention, but with this end result, I don't mind that in the slightest)

As the Team Supreme prove that there is NOTHING better for a sci-fi geek like Doug than a technorganic best buddy when it comes time for cosplaying!

Fab, isn't it? :)

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	no subject mrstatham 2012-03-25 07:36 pm UTC (link)
	I have to say, I'm really bored of the Cybusmen design now. Some of the older ones were much creepier. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

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icon_uk
2012-03-25 08:29 pm UTC (link)

I do like that look (and especially the SOUND design) of the Cybusmen, but yes, an upgrade would be nice. (And nothing is creepier than the original Cybermen with the mechanical arms and flesh hands, and those amazing voices, where the speech was randomly modulated, pitched and produced at a fluctuating speed)

Moffat has mentioned that he really wanted to redesign them, but didn't have the budget, so had to settle for just taking the C logo off their chest.

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mrstatham
2012-03-25 09:18 pm UTC (link)

To be fair, I can understand the BBC not giving him the budget he'd need to redesign the Cybermen - they didn't have a huge role in his two seasons so far beyond popping up at the end of Smith's first season and, naturally, the focus episode on them with James Corden, so I can understand a redesign not being justified in that sense. Given he's basically sworn off using the Daleks for a bit (although Davies did really, really devalue the poor bastards), I can also understand the BBC being wary there.

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icon_uk
2012-03-25 10:05 pm UTC (link)

I really can't see the 50's Anniversary season NOT featuring the Daleks.

Agreed on the RTD Dalek bit, by making them SO unstoppable as individuals, they could never be defeated, only deus ex machina'd.

They really should have had the power levels of the one in "Dalek" stated as being insanely hopped up so that it WAS a plausible solo threat, but once you hit 17 million of the little buggers on screen, all THAT powerful, it's not interesting at all. One reason I LOVE the notion of the Dalek "specialisations" of the new paradigm. I'd love to see a story featuring half a dozen Daleks in an outpost somewhere, perhaps a couple of Scientists, a Strategist and a few Drones, so we can see the differences between them in action.

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aeka
2012-03-25 11:35 pm UTC (link)

I second liking the Cybusman design, but yeah I'd like to see them 'upgrade.' They've been wearing the same armour since 2006. :/

While I do agree that the original Cybermen were scary in an eerie sort of way (Tomb of the Cybermen comes to mind), I did find the Cybusmen terrifying due to the whole mind control thing. I mean Lumic pretty much turned every mobile device into a mind control device that literally at the flip of a switch they got people to mindlessly walk into cyberfactories in flocks to get *upgraded.* Those episodes actually gave me nightmares for years. :(

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icon_uk
2012-03-26 12:17 am UTC (link)

I found the mind control thing to be creepy, but it depended on EVERYONE having those ear-pod things in place and that just never worked for me, NO invasive technology would be THAT universal (never mind people freezing in the street for the downloads, they'd know it was coming and stop). I believe RTD mentioned it was because of the ubiquity of bluetooth headsets, but really, how often do you see those if you DON'T work in the media?

I agree that the upgrade chambers remain one of THE most disturbing things Doctor Who has ever done, followed up by the excellent moments like the tragedy of the poor woman on her hen night.

I was a little disappointed at the "Why do they turn off emotions?" "Because it HURTS!" exchange because, although magnificently delivered, the Cybermen I knew turned off emotions because they felt they were a waste of time, which seemed a much better long term plot reason.

(Also one of the only moments in Torchwood I liked was the scene in the otherwise truly execrable "Cyberwoman" where the team discover a Cyber-conversion unit and immediately they start wetting themselves with absolute terror because they know what a single conversion unit could lead to.)

As I've said before, I think I'd have preferred to see the Cybus world as being one where cyber-upgrades were normal. Builders and labourers would have Cybus arms, or legs as a matter of course. And Mickey's grandmother would be able to see on Cybus-world because of Cybus eyes (you could have had a nice moment where you see she has the teardrop eyes on a ST:TNG VISOR type thingie).

The "Cybus-man" would thus be the next logical step you COULD convince people was a good idea, instead of being a completely different notion from the ear-buds.

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aeka
2012-03-26 12:36 am UTC (link)

Agreed about the upgrade chambers. It was like walking into a slaughter house, only your brain was carved out and placed into a cyberbody, and the rest was incinerated. x_x

Maybe it's just me, but I thought that the "it hurts" comment was also in reference to the fact that these were human brains that were forced into a cybersuit, and should they have become aware of their state, it would've been too traumatising an experience for them to the point of death as the end of Age of Steel demonstrated.

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icon_uk
2012-03-26 01:09 am UTC (link)

Only having the brain be removed also seemed like a bit of a step backwards, and made them into too much like Daleks. I liked the idea that with Cybermen you would never know what was organic, and what was cybernetic underneath the bodysuit and it would probably vary from Cyberman to Cyberman (and again in the ones from The Tenth Planet, the clothlike facepiece did suggest there was at least some of the face/skull still in place underneath with was a really creepy idea)

The "it hurts" was definitely because of that, but it was also a new notion that was only added in to give the Doctor a way to defeat them in 44 minutes. Emotions shouldn't be lethal to Cybermen, just... wasteful and redundant (from their POV)

As counter examples, in Doctor Who Weekly years before we'd met Kroton, a Cyberman with emotions like compassion and empathy (A good character there, should see if I can dig out his appearances). Miss Hartigan as the Cyberking retained her emotions (and was such a wasted opportunity as a character, she should have stuck around and been a more interesting Borg Queen) and so (in a rather disjointed way) did Yvonne Hartman, and John Lumic himself)

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	no subject jkcarrier 2012-03-26 02:08 am UTC (link)
	Moffat may be on your side, re: Cybermen construction. There's that scene in "The Pandorica Opens" where the one Cyberman's head pops open and there's an entire human skull inside. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject shadur 2012-03-26 08:21 am UTC (link)
	Also note the attempted conversion of Craig in _Closing Time_ - they just weld the helmet and chest armor on over his existing body. Although that's probably just the /start/ of the procedure, and it had to be something essentially undo-able for story purposes... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-03-26 09:09 am UTC (link)
	Very true, and those were not the most sane/efficient Cybermen, considering a Cybermat was doing most of the work (It might have been better to NOT have actual Cybermen in that episode, and just have Bitey TRYING, and failing, to make Cybermen. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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