AvX #0- Scarlet Witch gets what she deserves

[sun_man]

Ms. Marvel being a hypocrite as usual

Comments

[icon_uk]

I'm not sure it IS Visions call to be honest, it's a vaguely democratic organization, not a dictatorship, and if more Avengers want to give her a chance than don't then Vision can deal with it or hit the road himself.

The fact that Vision is all "I understand you were manipulated and not in your right mind" and the next "BUT WHAT YOU DID HURT MY FEELINGS" just doesn't work for me.

[shadowpsykie]

ithink its more than just hurting his feelings... i think he has every right to be pissed off at her. feelings are not logical...

that said, i agree that it is NOT his call to ban her from the mansion.

[icon_uk]

He either acknowledges that she was not in her right mind when she controlled him and thus has no culpability, or not. He argues both points in the space of three panels.

And of course, it's not like the Vision has ever tried to control the world himself because he thought it was a logical thing to do... oh, wait...

[donnblake]

He never acknowledges that she has no culpability. He says he empathizes with the fact that she was in a bad place when she made those decisions. That doesn't mean the decisions were justified.

As someone who hasn't read Children's Crusade, what did Doom claim to have done, specifically? Because in terms of Wanda's culpability, there's a world of difference between "Mind control you into doing this," and, "Arrange things to put you in a shitty mood so you lash out at the people around you."

[auggie18]

He exposed her to a Life-Spring energy source, which somewhat possessed her and-


-I don't entirely remember, but I think she was possessed. That does tend to happen to her a lot.

[shadowpsykie]

being a mystical conduit has its disadvatages.... PHENEOMENAL COSMIC POWERS! itty bitty self control

[bruinsfan]

Of course she channeled all that power and kept her looks, whereas ten minutes of wielding it made Doom go all Freddy Kreuger, so it does have counterbalancing advantages too...

[shadowpsykie]

but he didn't say she was not in her right mind when she manipulated him. he said she was manipulated, and she chose to manipulate him. it could prossibly be refereing to both havign occured at the same time, but i think he is refering ot two separate events.

where and when the manipulations occured and when and where she was making a concious choice is debateable...

still, i think he has every right to be hurt, confused, illogical and angry all at the same time.

i dont think he has a right to bar her from the mansion though

[spacebetween]

I think a lot of his response comes from the fact that he died in a rather painful way. He crashed a Quinjet, expelled 5 Ultrons and then was ripped apart by an enraged She-Hulk all while not in control of himself.

All of that will be still be fresh in his mind. While I do not agree with his treatment of her, I can understand why he would be bitter. Give it time and I think they begin the slow reconnection process.

[icon_uk]

I've never been sure how the Vision perceives pain, TBH.

[spacebetween]

Same to be honest. I can't remember if it was brought up when his lower section was blown up by Morgan le Fay in Avengers Vol 3 Issue 3 to the point when he was repaired several issues later

[bruinsfan]

I'd imagine the emotional distress of being used as a weapon against his friends suffices, even if he's not physically troubled by injury.

I can kind of see the justification of turning Wanda away. You have a couple with perhaps insurmountable conflict, and one of them is a member in good standing who's currently in residence at the mansion. Makes sense that in an only-one-can-stay situation the Vision would be the one the others back.

[lascoden]

I would say there would be a bit of emotional trauma from being ripped in half, as well.

[icon_uk]

Good points, though one should be also consider who NEEDS the support of their ersatz family more? The one who is already there, or the one who was thought lost?

[quatoria]

Somewhat off topic and a bit of an IRL derail, but I've gotta say it's starting to bug me the way people keep saying 'she was not in her right mind, so she's not in any way responsible for what happened, and that's the same as being innocent'. Not directed just at you, Icon, I've been seeing that a lot - mental illness DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. Suffering from a mental illness - even being what society would colloquially call 'crazy' - does not mean you have no control over your actions whatsoever. It doesn't mean a switch is flipped and you cease being the one driving the bus.

To use the driving analogy - it's not like somebody else seizing the wheel. It's more like we're all driving cars by viewing the road around us through cameras, and sometimes, your personal cameras start giving you conflicting and erroneous information. You're still you, but the input you normally use in order to navigate the world and make judgment calls is no longer 100% trustworthy. It's a mitigating factor in most cases, not an absolute waiver of responsibility.

Apologies for the long post, it's just something of personal significance that's been bothering me lately.

[salinea]

mental illness in comics is its very own kind of thing, though.