scans_daily: Superman's *Other* Pals

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@ 2012-04-05 10:17 am UTC

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char: superman/clark kent, creator: grant morrison, creator: rags morales, title: action comics

Superman's Other Pals

Three pages from ACTION COMICS 8...

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	no subject blake_reitz 2012-04-05 02:40 am UTC (link)
	Lex Luthor leaking information to Clark Kent in the hopes of turning around the sorry state of Metropolis. I like that. It harkens back a bit to All-Star Superman where Lex tells Clark that he's always liked him because he's so human. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject q99 2012-04-05 11:27 am UTC (link)
	Yea, likewise. And meanwhile the 'are you Superman?' thing helps explains why Lex never suspects Clark. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject skjam 2012-04-05 02:41 am UTC (link)
	I like that this version of Luthor has admiration for Einstein. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 5 comments) (Show 5 comments)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-04-05 03:22 am UTC (link)
	Reminds me of the "Prey to Einstein for a miracle" line from All-Star. :D (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject biod 2012-04-05 06:07 am UTC (link)
	I'm pretty sure that was canon before. There was a great story where all Luthor wanted to do was visit some college to comemmorate his hero. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-04-05 08:38 am UTC (link)
	Has there been a version which hasn't? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject skjam 2012-04-05 01:25 pm UTC (link)
	Early Silver Age Lex was more a Genghis Khan, Napoleon and Alexander the Great fan. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject sadoeuphemist 2012-04-05 08:56 am UTC (link)
	There was this bit in Earth 2 where Luthor keeps an Einstein bust in his office with an AI assistant installed inside. On one hand, he admires the man, on the other hand it gives him the opportunity to keep ordering Einstein around. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject starwolf_oakley 2012-04-05 02:41 am UTC (link)
	Clark is almost blase` about his secret identity since (at this point) he doesn't have to worry about villains murdering everyone at the Daily Planet. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject superfangirl1 2012-04-06 12:44 am UTC (link)
	lol Yet. But yeah it's funny how blase he is about it. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject nemryn 2012-04-05 04:44 am UTC (link)
	'Mrs. Nyxly'? I've got a bad feeling about that many consonants together in one place... (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject avantre 2012-04-05 05:14 am UTC (link)
	I've never seen her say her name backwards, either... very suspicious. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-04-05 06:03 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, there's a possibility of something going on there...but I think the Little Man is the actual Mxy. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject silicondream 2012-04-06 07:42 am UTC (link)
	Probably named after Ferlin Nyxly, actually, but if she does turn out to be Gsptlsnz or something I'll be very happy. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject biod 2012-04-05 06:10 am UTC (link)
	What kind of person would name themselves Icarus? That's just setting yourself up for failure. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject md84 2012-04-05 06:46 am UTC (link)
	Probably the same kind of person who'd call himself Ozymandias. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-04-05 08:39 am UTC (link)
	One who wanted to give the person they are manipulating an impression of humility. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject biod 2012-04-05 10:16 am UTC (link)
	You win this round... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject grazzt 2012-04-05 08:46 pm UTC (link)
	That's why I always disliked Prometheus. You know that dude got chained to a rock with birds picking out his insides, right? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject biod 2012-04-05 10:50 pm UTC (link)
	Well, Prometheus means "Foresight", he created mankind, stole fire for them, and sacrificed his further life free from liver-pecking vultures to do so. Not the worst guy to be named after. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject grazzt 2012-04-06 12:35 am UTC (link)
	Yeah, but Prometheus was a villain. Any elements of self-sacrifice in his namesake are tossed out the window, leaving "stealing fire from gods" and "liver being pecked out". I don't think the former is worth the latter. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject quatoria 2012-04-06 08:12 am UTC (link)
	A villain? Maybe from Zeus' perspective, but not from ours. He tricked the gods for the benefit of mankind. He was our champion, and he was punished with excruciating torture for upbraiding and defying the will of Zeus in our favor. The least we can do is consider him kindly, I'd say. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject crinos 2012-04-06 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	I think he meant the guy who took the name Prometheus is the villain. I think he took the name because his whole schtick was killing super heroes, the "Gods" of Modern day, since Prometheus also has the theme of defying the Gods. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject icon_uk 2012-04-05 08:41 am UTC (link)
	Don't think I've ever imagined Pa Kent as being the type to be into "surreal practical jokes". A good sense of humour yes, but surreal? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject sadoeuphemist 2012-04-05 08:57 am UTC (link)
	You have a kid who can pick up a tractor, you tend to expand your imagination. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2012-04-05 02:14 pm UTC (link)
	I started to feel a bit wibbly reading this. Then I checked the writer. Grant Morrison. Shit. Now I'm waiting for the 20-ton boots to drop. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 13 comments) (Show 13 comments)

	no subject sadoeuphemist 2012-04-05 03:18 pm UTC (link)
	Are you mistaking him for Mark Millar or something? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 12 comments) (Show 12 comments)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2012-04-05 06:39 pm UTC (link)
	Nope, I've been reading Morrison since Animal Man. His penchant for starting strong is only equaled by his penchant for crapping in the sandbox as he leaves. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

	no subject lascoden 2012-04-06 12:27 am UTC (link)
	You mean a Planet X type scenario? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject sadoeuphemist 2012-04-06 04:27 am UTC (link)
	What, you're worried he might reveal Lex to be a terrible human being? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 9 comments) (Show 9 comments)

	no subject lascoden 2012-04-06 04:33 am UTC (link)
	More that he'll reveal Jimmy to actually be Luthor, dispose of everything that makes him a unique villain, and then kill Lois Lane. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject sadoeuphemist 2012-04-06 05:31 am UTC (link)
	That's the worst comparison. How was Xorn anywhere close to Jimmy Olsen? How is Magneto's campaign against homo sapiens sapiens not part of his uniqueness? How is part of Lois Lane's schtick being killed and then brought back to life? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

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lascoden
2012-04-06 05:41 am UTC (link)

Xorn was an interesting character, a genuinely good guy with a terrible condition. Then he turned out to basically be a complete lie. Magneto is a villain who is sympathetic, you can understand why he does what he does. All sympathy is lost when you turn him into an insane Nazi, which also flies in the face of his origin. Jean was killed (or at least is staying dead) because they believed that it would make Scott more interesting. Look at the new Earth-2 or the DCnU to a lesser degree.

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sadoeuphemist
2012-04-06 05:52 am UTC (link)

Wait so what do you have against Grant Morrison? You think it was wrong of him to create a brand new sympathetic character and then reveal him to be secretly evil? Really? It is somehow his fault that when he killed off Jean "Phoenix" Grey that writers after him decided to keep her dead? And you are aware that there were Jews who, following WWII, actually ran concentration camps?

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lascoden
2012-04-06 06:18 am UTC (link)

I have nothing against Grant Morrison. I loved a lot of the concepts introduced in NXM, I enjoyed Batman Inc, look forward to its 2nd half, enjoyed Flex Mentallo, and AC has been pretty good. However, I did hate Planet X. I thought Xorn had great potential as a character, and that was thrown away. I think him turning out to be evil could have worked, but it just didn't make any sense to me. Plot twists aren't bad, but they're hard to do. To be honest, Jean's death was really the least of my problems with it. I don't expect someone named "Phoenix" to stay down. I've always loved Magneto because of that aspect moral ambiguity. He's by no means a good guy, but he's always had the potential to be a hero. A lot of his actions got close to Nazi-like, and I loved the scene where Xavier pointed that out on one particular occasion. But, There's a big difference between that and throwing people into furnaces, and snorting drugs. It ruined any chance of his redemption, and got rid of all complexities of his character. It was a lot like Unforgivable in FF. It turned him into a simple purely evil bad guy.

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	no subject sadoeuphemist 2012-04-06 06:25 am UTC (link)
	So do you think he tends to crap in the sandbox when he leaves, or did you just not like that one arc, or what? Because I'm kind of confused what our discussion is about now. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

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lascoden
2012-04-06 06:37 am UTC (link)

I think that it is very hard to follow him. He's very chaotic, everything is broken down and remade as he goes through a series. A lot of very nice things come out of this. As I said, I loved the concepts he introduced in NXM and Batman Inc. But, he always ends on a big earth-shattering note, and the next writer is left to pick up the pieces. There's not a cooling off period, no time for things to settle. It's almost like a game of hot potato. And, usually, a few big time characters are destroyed by the end. I'm more then a little worried about Talia in Batman. But, I think Planet X was the worst, and I admit that the other instances weren't nearly as bad.

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	no subject sadoeuphemist 2012-04-06 06:45 am UTC (link)
	Okay then. And anyway, Magneto's part of the X-men now, so that all worked out in the end. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject salinea 2012-04-06 11:10 am UTC (link)
	And you are aware that there were Jews who, following WWII, actually ran concentration camps Exactly what are you referring to? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject bariman 2012-04-13 08:50 pm UTC (link)
	Hmm. So maybe the landlady is ol' Myxy or another fifth-dimensional imp, and they're testing Clark to make sure he's the best hero he can be? Sort of like what Myxy himself and Q say they're doing. Like here he says he doesn't go into showbusiness because he doesn't care about money. And her question about whether he's really Clark or Superman seems to be important too. (Reply to this)

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