Date: 2012-04-16 07:42 am (UTC)
eyz: (Bruce Wayne)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Awwww!! ~<3
The art here is just "D'Awwww"!
Also, I miss this Harley! And Ivy! And this gal's Barbara Gordon, not the current one....

Date: 2012-04-16 08:02 am (UTC)
lilacsigil: 12 Apostles rocks, text "Rock On" (12 Apostles)
From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
Aw, Harley! You have book-learning! The expressions are priceless!

Date: 2012-04-16 08:02 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
Yea, they're fun. I need to get this in trade.

Date: 2012-04-16 10:58 am (UTC)
whitesycamore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
So... *was* Harley a psychologist, or was she a psychiatrist? Comics never seem to be able to decide on that one.

I personally prefer to think of her as a clinical psychologist, because she seems too young to believably be a psychiatrist when she met the Joker (that's going by my British standards though, I think the process of becoming a psychiatrist is a bit quicker in the US). Although to be honest, it's still pretty rare to be a clinical psychologist before the age of 30.

Also, whenever we saw Harley with a patient she seemed to be acting in more of a psychologist role than a psychiatric one, e.g. giving talk therapy rather than reviewing medication, etc.

Date: 2012-04-16 12:07 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
It's not just her they have trouble with on the psychiatrist/psychologist thing.

Date: 2012-04-16 12:08 pm (UTC)
ext_197528: (Default)
From: [identity profile] kurenai-tenka.livejournal.com
Also, I miss this Harley

That is pretty much exactly what I was going to say. XD

Date: 2012-04-16 01:10 pm (UTC)
aeka: (Huntress [computer]:)
From: [personal profile] aeka
She was supposed to be a psychiatrist since she admitted to having gone to med school in her solo series pre-reboot.

I think the process of becoming a psychiatrist is a bit quicker in the US

I can safely say this is not true. In the US you first need to:

a) Get satisfactory scores on either the SAT or ACT to even be admitted into a 4 year university at all.

b) If you don't, you have the option of spending *ideally* two years at a community college for an AA degree and transferring to a four year university for *ideally* your last two years.

c) During this timeframe you need to incorporate one year biology with lab, one year chemistry with lab, one year anatomy and physiology with lab, one year physics with lab, in addition to taking calculus 1 and 2. This could effectively prolong your time as an undergrad if you are pre-med, especially since you typically have other prerequisite courses you need to take.

d) As part of your application process for med school, you need to have volunteer and clinical work experience, and you need to take and pass the MCAT which is your entrance exam to med school. (Hence the reason you needed all those years of science).

e) Assuming you get in, that's four more years of schooling on just learning how to be a doctor at all + your residency if you decide to specialise in a specific area of medicine (i.e., psychiatry).

At best, the earliest you can leave med school is your late 20s and that's a big *IF* considering the US makes it difficult for you to get into school in the first place.

Date: 2012-04-16 01:28 pm (UTC)
aeka: (Huntress [computer]:)
From: [personal profile] aeka
Seconded.

Date: 2012-04-16 01:35 pm (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
So was Dr. Harleen Quinzel a psychologist or a psychiatrist? Big diff, since one's a PhD, and the other's an MD.

Date: 2012-04-16 01:56 pm (UTC)
aeka: (Huntress [computer]:)
From: [personal profile] aeka
I think part of the problem is largely stemmed from people thinking that psychiatry and psychology are synonymous with one another. In my experience, psychiatrists only interact with the patient long enough to diagnose them and prescribe the meds and other necessary treatments, which is appropriate for holders of an MD degree. Things like talk therapy and conducting research are the domains of people who hold PhDs in psychology.

Date: 2012-04-16 02:40 pm (UTC)
whitesycamore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
In the UK, a medical degree takes 5 years, followed by at least two years of foundation study in a hospital. You're then eligible to apply for specialist training in psychiatry, which usually takes around *six years* at least.

So that's 13 years right there. Since the average student doesn't begin university education until 18, that means the earliest someone can realistically hope to become a psychiatrist in the UK is 31 years old.

To become a clinical psychologist you need a 1st or 2:1 class Bachelor's degree in psychology (3 years). If you don't achieve that grade, you'll probably need to undertake a Master's degree as well. Then you need a few years of clinical experience in mental health, and prove your research experience with at least a couple of publications before you can even apply for postgraduate clinical psychology training. In practice, this often takes very nearly as long as becoming a psychiatrist.

It's still slightly more feasible that someone could become a clinical psychologist by their late twenties though, at least, in the UK it is. It's my long-term goal, although I'm certainly not going to be bitter if I don't make it before 30.


Date: 2012-04-16 03:51 pm (UTC)
aeka: (Huntress [computer]:)
From: [personal profile] aeka
So you're a psych major as well?

It's about the same in the US, and truthfully I don't often hear of anyone graduating from med school before the age of 30, but it is possible to have a PhD before then if you were able to afford going to school full time without having to work which is not a reality for most people.

To get into grad school for a PhD in psych in the US, it is *slightly* easier to get in than in the UK, but it is also very highly competitive, especially for psych. So the surest way to get into grad school is to not only get a satisfactory score on the GRE (your entrance exam for postgraduate studies), but you must also have letters of recommendation from a professional that has worked with you personally, 1-2 years experience in research, volunteer work in a clinical facility, and pretty much whatever else you can squeeze in to show that you have experience in psych-related work.

You can *try* to get into grad school with only one or two of these alone, but they'll first pick the overachiever before they'll even consider you on your minimum qualifications. Considering most schools here will only take in fixed number of students pursuing a graduate degree, it really is a good idea to have more under your belt than none to increase your chances of acceptance, especially in the university of your choice.

Date: 2012-04-16 04:07 pm (UTC)
whitesycamore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Yep, I am.

Clinical psychology is really competitive here as well. I think I'm about halfway to having a decent shot at acceptance - I nearly exhausted myself by taking on all the extra research opportunities I could get at uni, but it really paid off in the long run.

Date: 2012-04-16 04:16 pm (UTC)
aeka: (Huntress [lonely]:)
From: [personal profile] aeka
Yeah I imagine it would be since it is a very popular major. It is good though that you managed to get halfway there and wish you the best of luck getting into grad school.

I wish I could've taken full advantage of research opportunities at my uni if only (a) I didn't find out about them late in my academic career, (b) their hours didn't conflict with my work schedule, and (c) I have less than a year to finish and they require a two year commitment. So I'm looking at other opportunities right now. :(

Date: 2012-04-16 04:26 pm (UTC)
whitesycamore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] whitesycamore
Oh, believe me, I have had plenty of those experiences too. I particularly hate the fabulous research project that sounds *so right* for you, which you find out about two days before application deadline.

So much pressure. I swear to god my second year studentship panned out like the plot of Black Swan, complete with a hot but bullying mentor who tried to "bring out my potential" with mind games that bordered on psychological warfare. Looking back on it, I'm sure my stupid crush on him was actually a form of Stockholm Syndrome. :D

Date: 2012-04-16 05:26 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
oh Harley, I love you SO MUCH!

Date: 2012-04-16 05:47 pm (UTC)
deleonjh: (Default)
From: [personal profile] deleonjh
Regarding psychologist vs. psychiatrist, does anyone ever do both, like being a double doctor (i.e., M.D. and Ph.D)?

Date: 2012-04-16 06:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] outlawpoet
A person could be qualified to call themselves either, but they'd be referred to as a Psychiatrist, since that includes more legal rights and protections (at least in the US).

Date: 2012-04-17 12:19 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eaglet_auditore
The scans and the discussions here are priceless! I love you people.

May I ask the title of the trade those scans belong to?

Date: 2012-04-17 03:22 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
Oh Harley :)

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