Avengers vs X-Men #2

[flint_marko]

Best scene of the issue; hope this means they'll be getting a divorce.

Wolverine and  Spider-Man break in to find Hope.


That's always your solution, isn't it Wolverine?

Comments

[auggie18]

Hey. Hey. Hey, Wolverine? Wolverine? Remember the last you and the Phoenix hung out? Y'know, right after it saved all those mutant kids from the U-men? When it stopped you from burning to death in the sun? Nice to see you paying it back by trying to murder a teenage girl.


Also, fingers crossed on the divorce thing. Though since divorce is apparently illegal in the Marvel universe, maybe they'll just kill Storm off or have T'challa trade her to Mephisto for a pack of Bugles or something.

Because it will make T'challa so much more interesting.

(Yes, I am never letting that go.)

[shadowpsykie]

i still think i will hate this series if Jean does not in some way come back and basically says "I'm dead 10 years and THIS is what happens? Okay, it's settled im never dying again...."

love the t'challa/storm scene... T'challa... honey.... you SOOO should have known better than to keep this from her....

hmm i don;t know... i'm kinda with Hope on this one... one she knew wolverine could take it, so she pretty much just knocked out the others...

i don't fault her for high tailing it though. both sides basically want to use her (well in the avengers case, kill her.... how cap sees that as okay i will NEVER understand)

and again.... people are being stupid... When cap came, he didn't come to talk. he came to say "This is how it's going to be."

any conflict with the avengers vs the x-men i am gonna always side with the x-men.

like emma said: Where were the avengers when genosha was blown up, where were teh avengers when a religious fanatic blew up a school bus full of students. The x-men were in stamford, helping pull bodies from the rubble. Where were the avengers to help the x-men bury thier dead?

[shadowpsykie]

i agree... EVERYONE seems to be forgetting that the last... FEW times the phoenix has been around she was a hero. WHY is everyone forgetting this....

[md84]

Is that even still in continuity?

Wolverine attacking Hope is pretty stupid, but I can see why he'd consider that necessary. From his POV, Hope has already gone into Dark Phoenix territory and ATTACKED HER OWN TEAM. He may already consider her too far gone -- and it doesn't help that Hope just flash-fried him.

The look on Cyclops face -- maybe he's starting to realize placing his hopes on an unpredictable sun-eating cosmic entity wasn't one of his brightest ideas.

[shadowpsykie]

i do have to say, i like the poetry :D

[shadowpsykie]

and it doesn't help that Hope just flash-fried him.

well in this case she knows he can handle it. if she wanted to kill him she would have tried harder, she just wanted to take him out...

can someone post the scene where she takes out the team... i sorta feel that needs context....

[salinea]

I actually got embarrassment squick from reading this.

Seriously, why is it so badly written?

Why is everyone so stupid?

Why?

[flint_marko]

I don't know if Wolverine even noticed the rest of Generation Hope (who Hope had only knocked out because Emma told them to stop her from trying to leave); he just saw Hope turning into Phoenix.

Also, the Xorneto stuff was retconned, but the rest of Grant Morrison's run is still in continuity.

[md84]

Of course he can take it, but it still probably hurt like hell. And it probably is the only way to incapacitate him without killing him. I'm just saying that if Wolvie still had any doubts that Hope was dangerous, they are well and truly dead.

[tpsreports]

Is it just me or is JRJR's art getting more and more cartoony and less dynamic?

[flint_marko]

Basically Emma took Hope inside and told them to "keep her here. No matter what she says."

When Hope sees the X-Men and the Avengers fighting, she says she has to get out and stop it, so she apologizes and knocks the team out.

[salinea]

I have a theory. The pseudo-Phoenix currently in space has the power of sucking up QI points from everyone on earth as it approaches. This is why everyone acts like they're five and have memory problems.

[salinea]

and broke Laurie's nose.

Poor Laurie :(

[md84]

Because Marvel wanted an excuse to have the Avengers and X-men throw down.

The Avengers' stance is stupid and based entirely on a bad first impression: Nova's report that the Phoenix had eaten a planet and was on its way to Earth.

Cyclops' stance is also stupid because he actually wants to invite an entity capable of wiping out entire worlds to Earth.

Really, both teams ought to ask Doctor Strange or the Fantastic Four -- heroes who deal with cosmic and mystical entities capable of destroying entire worlds on a regular basis -- what to do about this.

[shadowpsykie]

yeah...
though from that description, i think hope was just trying to take action and make them stop fighting.... essentially, everyone i using her and telling her what to do without ASKING her what she wants to do. she surpsrise suprise does not want them fighting over her...

so she is taking herself off the field. :really hope seems tobe the only one i like right now, and surprisingly, the only one who is acting maturly.

[shadowpsykie]

no you are right, i REALLY don't like his recent arch....

[darkknightjrk]

"Remember the last you and the Phoenix hung out? Y'know, right after it saved all those mutant kids from the U-men? When it stopped you from burning to death in the sun?"

Wasn't that mostly Jean utilizing the power of the Phoenix, and not the force on it's own?

[salinea]

The thing is, with the current overall direction of X-Men and Avengers I actually think this storyline could have be done in a believable and actually be good. I think Schism, while not perfect, showed you could make heroes fight one another for legitimate ideological issues and not rely on making them stupid for it. This is just painful to read, and not painful because I think it's absurd for heroes to fight one another.

[shadowpsykie]

Wolverine of all people should know that if she didn't kill him, she DIDN't Want him dead. which should prove that at least right now, she is thinking rationally. instead he will probably be "She flash fried me, arrrrg arrrg, that PROVES she's crazy!"

[salinea]

... I'm not convinced attacking even more people is the best way to be acting maturly, actually. It certainly didn't seem to do a good job of de-escalating the situation (although I don't think she had a lot of options either).

[shadowpsykie]

motto.

the x-men have almost always gone for poigniants (sp??) and gravitas. throw the avengers in and its alla bout flashes and bangs..... that sounded b etter in my head....

[icon_uk]

In fairness (up to a point I grant you), the previous times the Phoenix came to Earth it bonded with Jean Grey, who taught it humanity (for good or ill) and who was fundamentally a compassionate person, or Rachel Summers/Grey who had done dreadful things in her past, and was aware of the temptations of power (Who knows what might have happened had Wolverine NOT stopped her killing Selene in revenge way back when)

Hope isn't of the Grey line, and was raised by Cable (perhaps not most people's first choice as a father figure) to be a soldier/messiah. That's the sort of mindset that the Phoenix might react rather differently with.

The Phoenix itself is beyond humanity, the Phoenix bonded to a human is perhaps more dangerous, since it can be swayed by human failings.

[shadowpsykie]

well at that point jean and phoenix had already become one. "I am always Jean Grey, I am always the phoenix" neither one was in control as they were both in control.... if that makes sense....

[salinea]

He may already consider her too far gone
In doubt, murder the teenage girl, ask questions later.

[mrstatham]

Oh, my God. OH MY GOD!

I can't believe how much this dreary, predictable shit is making me yawn. Remind me again why this needs tie-ins across the whole Avengers and X-Men line, plus a secondary book JUST FOR FIGHTING? From the look of things, the main book is one big, brainless fight.