scans_daily: Red Hood and the Outlaws #8

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@ 2012-04-18 02:06 pm UTC

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char: robin/red hood/jason todd, char: robin/red robin/tim drake, creator: kenneth rocafort, creator: scott lobdell, title: red hood and the outlaws

Red Hood and the Outlaws #8

I post here...never. I don't think I've posted anything since I joined ages ago. I'm such a lurker. But I didn't see this scene posted yet, so I thought I'd do the honors. If I messed it up somehow, broke any rules, or missed these pages being posted somehow, please feel free to tell me and I'll do what I can to fix it. :)

Jason and co are in Gotham saving some kids at a hospital when Alfred sends out his distress signal, concerning the Night of the Owls stuff. Jason is about to leave when Roy points out that a lot of people are on the job already, but Tim picks up that Jason has intercepted their call. He asks Jason to stick around and help, and Kory -- Kori, whatever -- asks Jason if he knows Tim.

This lovely little flashback occurs.

I've wanted some nice brotherly love from Tim and Jason since he came back to life in 2005. I know a lot of people are put off by the reboot, but I think this made it worthwhile for me. (Although the idea of Alfred's cooking being anything but perfect is clearly absurd. :P And I don't like how Tim's being portrayed in Teen Titans... But that's a story for another day.)

Did anyone else love the idea of Tim and Jason being buds as much as I do?

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sun_man
2012-04-18 06:40 pm UTC (link)

It was pretty much exactly what I feared. Extremely OOC, complete disregard of their previous relationship, killing attempts are just shrugged off and everything we get is pretty much a “Sorry, that I tried to kill you, bro.” over a shared breakfast.

Which in itself reads a lot like a bad fanfiction. Eating waffles together on a veranda? Really? Really?

“Hey, I tried to kill you and you actually hate what I represent, but I am cool with that. Lets be bros.”

“Oh, okay fine. I am sorry too that I tried to kill you, lets eat waffles.”

(I wish I would be joking but that is pretty much how it goes)

I was also extremely baffled by how their relationship was explained. Apparently, Tim assigned Jason to get him information about Cassie. But why he did that is not explained.

How did this happen? What made Tim consider asking Jason? How did he find Jason? Why did Jason agree to do this for him? Because he got information in return? But why did Tim not sort out any other of his actual allies first? Namely Barbara, whose past as Oracle is still intact in the reboot and who was the primary information broker of the Superhero community? Surely she could have helped him with his request? Why Jason?

I really couldn’t wrap my mind around that.

And no, I don’t hate the ship. On the contrary, they could have a really interesting dynamic and I do like the general idea of them getting over themselves and trying to be brothers. But the execution in RHatO #8 was just so poor. So blatantly OOC and illogical.

I will be in my corner, crying.

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aubreys_master
2012-04-18 06:46 pm UTC (link)

Maybe I'm happy about my headcanon being put on page and I'm not thinking it through. I'm willing to allow for that. But isn't it more likely than "shrugging off" killing attempts that those issues (and the Teen Titans issue where Jason shows up in the canary yellow tights) never happened in the DCnU? So there would be no need to shrug them off, because they just didn't exist? Johns's run on Teen Titans obviously never happened in the new canon, just judging from what we've seen on the page and even ignoring what we've heard in interviews and stuff. I've seen no evidence that Tim's old Robin book is canon either. So if none of that is canon, then it can't be taken into account and removes a lot of the problems you listed. Doesn't it?

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	no subject shadowpsykie 2012-04-18 07:12 pm UTC (link)
	i agree. i for one LOVE this new take on these characters. Tim is a bit more pragmatic, Jason has dealt with his rage issues. they are still tim and jason, and as such still have thier quirks and foibles... but they have grown. so what every Jason HAS done, Tim took a pragmatic look to it. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject eyz 2012-04-19 11:26 am UTC (link)
	Canon by Retcon :P (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject mrstatham 2012-04-18 07:18 pm UTC (link)
	Who says Barbara's past as Oracle is intact? Where's the evidence of that? Given the current state of the character, I see no evidence that the Barbara currently in Batgirl could have nearly the chops to be Oracle. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

	no subject thefiretonight 2012-04-18 07:21 pm UTC (link)
	Seconded. I don't believe there's even been a mention of Oracle in ANY Bat book, not just Babs'. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject mrstatham 2012-04-18 07:23 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think it helps that the DCnU's continuity and included-events from the old universe is so clusterfucky that figuring it out would make Stephen Hawking's head spin, but I don't think even Simone is too clear on what she can include. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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milleniumrex
2012-04-18 08:10 pm UTC (link)

What we've seen so far:

- Barbara was in a wheelchair for three years.

- Dinah knew Barbara during that time, they worked together in some capacity, and their relationship is mostly intact.

They probably want to keep things vague, but given that, it makes sense that Barbara was active in some sort of Oracle-like capacity.

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mrstatham
2012-04-18 08:23 pm UTC (link)

We've seen no proof of Oracle, and there's been no mention of her. Given the JLA have been around five years, and the idea that the Bat-Family continuity is intact is blatant bullshit and lies, I see no reason for them to keep it around. Barbara would surely have some leftovers from her time as Oracle, and not be hunting people down through Google at times.

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	no subject milleniumrex 2012-04-18 08:31 pm UTC (link)
	I have a feeling they're going to basically bust it down to "Oracle Jr.", for all practical purposes. Instead of running a global network that all superheroes worked with, she helped the Bat-family out from behind her home computer. Meh. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject jcbaggee 2012-04-19 07:52 am UTC (link)
	"Barbara, send me an address where they sell this very specific toxin. ....is that a Let Me Google That For You link? DAMMIT BARBARA. STOP DOING THAT." (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject jlbarnett 2012-04-19 02:49 am UTC (link)
	it has to be. Batman Incorporated is still around and it's used her skills as Oracle. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

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mrstatham
2012-04-19 09:23 am UTC (link)

Morrison's already stated that some bits of Batman Inc will be invalidated in the light of the relaunch, but they are going to be ignored and just not mentioned since the tone of this second series will be different. That's why Snyder himself said there's no plans for Cass and Steph, even though they featured in the first half and logically should feature in the second. So.. No Oracle either, from the look of things.

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	no subject eyz 2012-04-19 11:28 am UTC (link)
	Called it, several months ago! The Reds can be bros now! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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