Date: 2012-04-19 06:40 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Really interested in seeing the story behind that.

Date: 2012-04-19 07:25 am (UTC)
twomasks: Herc Smile (Smile)
From: [personal profile] twomasks
Judging from J'onn's line in the last panel I'd wager the dispute was over the League not having any milk to go with his Chocos.

Date: 2012-04-23 02:05 am (UTC)
jlroberson: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jlroberson
Diana cleared her throat. But J'onn was already gone.

Date: 2012-04-19 07:13 am (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
Is it good or bad thing I like Martian Manhunter more than any on these guys, just for that single line?

Date: 2012-04-19 08:25 am (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Same here!

Date: 2012-04-19 11:08 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
having read part of Stormwatch, and seen how they've utterly failed to stop any of the numerous Earth born conspiracies that have popped up since the reboot I find the arrogance annoying.

Date: 2012-04-19 02:09 pm (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
You mean Martian, or Super Seven?

Date: 2012-04-19 09:34 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett

Date: 2012-04-20 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
What do you mean by "Earth-born conspiracies?" If I remember right, the initial mission for Stormwatch was to protect the Earth from massive extra-terrestrial threats and keep them in the dark.

Date: 2012-04-20 02:37 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
The Court of Owls


The Firestorm projects

The Rot

several of the Olympian Gods were hanging around in human cities.

And besides conspiracies:

Did they happen to notice that virus from the future in Legion Lost?

How many aliens crashing to Earth have they caught notice of? A Kryptonian, a Green Lantern

Date: 2012-04-20 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
First five aren't extra-terrestrial, Martian Manhunter appeared in Legion Lost and GLC, and who knows, maybe at some point a member of Stormwatch did check out a certain crash landing in Kansas, figured it wasn't an real or immediate threat, and helped keep the government off Ma and Pa Kent's back.

Date: 2012-04-19 07:14 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Ah, Wonder Woman's patented boob-ass shot... it always looks so bloody uncomfortable.

Date: 2012-04-19 07:41 am (UTC)
droolfangrrl: (Default)
From: [personal profile] droolfangrrl
As well as being physically impossible. I've seen a site were a contotionist tried to get into some of these poses and he couldn't.

Looked for it haven't found it yet, but of my gosh this one has a hiserically funny gif

Date: 2012-04-19 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I don't know if this'll get me in trouble or not but it's not actually a pose. She's not holding it, she's moving she should be in that position for a second before shifting.

Date: 2012-04-19 06:39 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I'm still not entirely sure you CAN move into that pose.

Date: 2012-04-19 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
well, I'm a guy so I can't do it exactly but I'm pretty sure there's been times when I've twisted around to talk to someone behind me when I was working and didn't want to take the time to turn around completely.

Date: 2012-04-20 02:33 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
...Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can. I just did, and I'm certainly not the most limber fella in the world. Now, one could argue if it's the best way to move if you're going to swing a sword at somebody, but that isn't really the point.

Date: 2012-04-20 02:44 am (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I'm pretty sure that's the point actually. It's a ridiculous, not realistic looking pose for a character that is supposed to be in the process of swinging a sword but whom the artist thought was better used to show off tits & ass at the same time.

Date: 2012-04-20 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Okay, fair enough--the point I saw was that it was physically impossible for her to move that way, not impractical.

Date: 2012-04-19 11:34 am (UTC)
endis_ni: (Default)
From: [personal profile] endis_ni
Believe me, there's a lot of women have sprained muscles trying to replicate that pose. I always thought it was just me, mind, but apparently not:

Date: 2012-04-20 04:52 pm (UTC)
riddler13: (Default)
From: [personal profile] riddler13
Also, did you see where the discussion began?

It was because of these:

If Applejack saw those drawings, she'd surely shake her head and repeat: "Twilight, git mah rope!"

Date: 2012-04-19 04:42 pm (UTC)
ext_197528: (Default)
From: [identity profile]
Beat me to it, eegads.

Date: 2012-04-20 05:08 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
It's not enough to stop Batman and Flash from having what appears to be a very tender moment.

Date: 2012-04-19 07:32 am (UTC)
jcbaggee: Jesus (Default)
From: [personal profile] jcbaggee
8 issues of practically utter nonsense; a Darkseid arc that was, let's face it, padded for trade...

...and ONE PAGE of a fight and a story that could have been interesting.


Date: 2012-04-19 08:26 am (UTC)
eyz: (Darkseid)
From: [personal profile] eyz
I miss a "fun" League.
Be it the BWAHAHAHA-one or the Morrison one (with guys like Steel, Huntress, Plastic Man or that angel guy on board...)

Date: 2012-04-19 09:28 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
I even liked the Dick/Donna/Congorilla/Starman league.

Date: 2012-04-19 10:06 am (UTC)
eyz: (Darkseid)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Yeah, same here!
As bad as the origin of that League was *cough*CryForJustice*cough*, it was at least an original roster with fun interactions.

Date: 2012-04-19 03:34 pm (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99

I've heard some people say it's a bit bland (and, granted, their first big arc was half-JLA story), but hey, I like the characters, and they're genuinely heroic. I'm in the middle of catching up with them now.

Date: 2012-04-19 09:55 am (UTC)
arbre_rieur: (Default)
From: [personal profile] arbre_rieur
Ironically, Johns mentioned in interviews that he's going for a tone in-between those very two versions of the League: The Bwahaha era and the Morrison era.

Date: 2012-04-19 10:05 am (UTC)
eyz: (Darkseid)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Well, it doesn't feel like that. At all.

This much grittiness, fighting around, pointless Darkseid arc...feels more like what Rob Liefeld would come up than any thing...

Date: 2012-04-19 02:39 pm (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
To be fair, I think it shows that he did try, by making Hal an idiot who babbles quips around Batman, and moments like Hal and Barry acting Booster/Beetle by drooling over Wonder Woman, etc.

But yeah, pretty much missing the mark. Instead of being funny and lovable, he made them sound like frat bros.

Date: 2012-04-19 04:30 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Booster Gold)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Yeah, that's the problem here!
It's a book featuring Frat Boys...

Date: 2012-04-19 10:09 pm (UTC)
majingojira: (Dresden Rides Sue)
From: [personal profile] majingojira
The only times I really laughed/chuckled were when Hal was holding the Lasso of Truth.

Date: 2012-04-20 04:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] riddler13
Not much Bwahaha there. Just a lot of Boohoho.

Date: 2012-04-19 03:21 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
This might get me into trouble, but...I'm actually liking this JL more than the later Bwa-ha-ha Era.

Date: 2012-04-19 04:34 pm (UTC)
eyz: (Default)
From: [personal profile] eyz
Where's The Fun In That?

Date: 2012-04-19 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I always thought that era's best time was the first year or two, where it had a good balance of comedy and quality adventure. After a while, it diverged so far into comedy and devolved into such stock parodies of themselves that it just annoyed the shit out of me.

Date: 2012-04-20 07:35 am (UTC)
eyz: (Ted Kord)
From: [personal profile] eyz
You're one of the serious ones, aren't you??

Since all late 80s-early 90s big teams books were all serious and gritty 'n' stuff, I say it was a nice change of pace.

Date: 2012-04-19 06:38 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I NEVER liked the Bwa-ha-ha era...

Date: 2012-04-20 01:18 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
me either... but i did like the one just after that... the Doomsday era?

Date: 2012-04-20 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
From what I read, the first year or so of it was decent enough--they had the melding of humor and adventure down pat. The problem came when they veered more into comedy than adventure. I like comedy as much as the next guy, but...that's not what I read Justice League for.

Date: 2012-04-19 09:56 am (UTC)
razsolo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] razsolo
Egad, they're ALL such douches (except Diana and Barry I guess, and she's just Xena these days anyway)

I like interpersonal conflict and clashing egos as much as the next reader, but I also like heroes who are...well yanno, *likeable*.....everything I read with this new JLA just makes me wish Despero would come and stomp 'em all already :P

Date: 2012-04-19 11:13 am (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Aw, I'd hardly call Wonder Woman XENA, Diana is far more personable for one thing.

Date: 2012-04-20 01:19 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Hope Silly)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
Xena was always nice with Gabrielle... they were such good buddies. I wonder what it was they liked about eachother? they were Just like sisters :D

Date: 2012-04-19 11:15 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
I suppose this explains why J'onn was identified as a Leaguer, except why does one of the gov't committee talking about them say they've never expanded if he's there?

Also ca they really never have expanded when in the current continuity Bruce has still be out of action with a broken back and Hal stll became Parallax?

Date: 2012-04-19 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
The League never mentioned it to the government?

Date: 2012-04-19 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
it was referenced by a guy who should know less about the League than the government

Date: 2012-04-19 09:30 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
You mean Apollo in Stormwatch? Okay, fair enough--even if that's the case, the government guys' response to that would probably be something along the lines of, "We don't give a fuck if they got their feelings hurt one time, we want someone inside that can keep an eye on them."

Date: 2012-04-19 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
the government official doesn't claim they have to expand because they haven't done it enough, he claims they've never expanded.

Date: 2012-04-19 11:32 am (UTC)
aulayan: (Default)
From: [personal profile] aulayan
This is one of the few times where someone remembered just how frigging powerful J'onn is. I approve of that spread.

Though I agree. Seeing it in a story? Would have been more ideal.

Date: 2012-04-19 12:11 pm (UTC)
demonprawn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] demonprawn
Geoff Johns definitely remembers. Zombie J'onn in Blackest Night wrecked Barry and Hal's shit!

Date: 2012-04-20 12:26 am (UTC)
sir_mikael: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_mikael
Didn't Zombie J'onn even say something along the lines of "Why does everyone forget I'm seriously powerful?!"

Date: 2012-04-20 12:49 pm (UTC)
velshtein: (HISOKA GON such a good boy)
From: [personal profile] velshtein
He does:


Date: 2012-04-19 12:09 pm (UTC)
demonprawn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] demonprawn
Martian Manhunter has the best redesign of new 52

Date: 2012-04-20 05:12 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
Actually, he was about the only one who actually looked AWESOME in Flashpoint. Getting basically Martian Doc Savage in the main universe would have been insanely cool.

But we're not allowed to have nice things.

Date: 2012-04-19 02:40 pm (UTC)
filthysize: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filthysize
Hmmm, I wonder if they're going to tell this story on JL or Stormwatch...

Date: 2012-04-19 02:53 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
I wonder if they ever look back to all the times they nearly kill each other for misunderstanding and just laugh...

Date: 2012-04-19 03:24 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
This part took what was already a pretty fun issue, and made it a VERY interesting and cool one.

Date: 2012-04-19 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] kd_the_movie
Not too drone on with the criticism's but i'm not feeling any "heart" with this league. There aren't any elements here that Johns seems to really be enjoying and playing with.

With the Morrison League it was the "big seven/greek gods allegory" concept and doing the impossible....With Johns/Goyer JSA it was referencing a shit ton of continuity, reconciling the old nature of the JSA with the new kids, and the familial aspect of the JSA

With Nu52 JLA, the heroes feel like assholes, the chemistry is forced, and the one big baddie was nothing more than a world class jobbing/going through the motions to get readers on board. The book feels too "corporate", too "lets throw our number one writer on this book".....If Johns had never written JLA back when he probably had much more choice and less pressure, why would he want to now?

Date: 2012-04-26 01:27 pm (UTC)
r0b666: (Default)
From: [personal profile] r0b666
I'm with you. I read half this issue and have little desire to even finish it. All they do is act like dicks and people talk about how amazing they are.

The Justice League. They're the greatest heroes EVER!!!


ALL HYPE. LITTLE SUBSTANCE. This is the new 52!!!

Date: 2012-04-20 01:25 am (UTC)
shadowpsykie: Information (Default)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
hmmm i kinda like this league too... i think the first arch was supossed to show the league forming up, and the second arc is supposed to show the league as a close knit group, but because they were kinda "forged in fire" they have trust issues. But they are going to obviously open up, and i liked to see how they do that.

i THINK. that Jonn attacking them was supposed to be him testing them for some "big thing" which is what this panel indicated...

opening up with Ryan Choi Element Woman, Mera, the hawks, Deadman and the Mystery Woman, i know a few of those are definately light hearted. so i think this is the league gradually trusting the larger superhero community.

Date: 2012-04-20 05:15 am (UTC)
nezchan: Navis at breakfast (Default)
From: [personal profile] nezchan
I'm just going to add here that I really don't like this art. It really doesn't have an organic look, like everyone came pre-packaged or something. That probably doesn't describe it well, but it's like the whole thing has a stick up its butt, way too stiff and awkward.

Date: 2012-04-23 10:59 pm (UTC)
werehawk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] werehawk
Do you think in a couple of weeks, you can post the Court of Owls/Talons pages from this issue?


Date: 2012-05-08 03:15 am (UTC)
werehawk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] werehawk
That would be cool. Thanks.


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