Big events are always a good time to catch up with the family

[salinea]

So much for that promise, Pietro.

Damnit, I hate those narration boxes. Sooo corny.

I'm not particularly impressed by how this plays up Wanda as spoooooooooooky and creeeeeeeeepy.

Comments

[lencannon]

PIETRO YOU SHOULD BE BEATEN IN THE FACE FOR ASKING WANDA TO COME


what makes you think this is a good idea

for anyone

[salinea]

It is a remarkably bad suggestion.

[shadowpsykie]

motto. like seriously, after what he did last time?

also.. wanda just hangs out in her costume?

[salinea]

It's how she receives people for Thanksgiving dinner, too.

[thatnickguy]

Oh, please. Like anything bad would happen.

I mean, it's not like she did anything major the LAST time the X-Men and Avengers crossed over, right?

...right?

[spacebetween]

Chances are she would have gone without him suggesting it. She has shown that she would like to mend fences with those in the Avengers. Regardless of the fact that the X-Men and Avengers are not her biggest fans, she is still a hero at heart and if she has a dream of the world ending in flames of the Phoenix, she will step into prevent it.

Still this is all rather forced, the sudden dream journal of hers. The need to make her enter the fray so early on or at all. Still makes me think that at the end of this mutants will be back in numbers on way or another.

[salinea]

She's the last person that should involve herself in a X-Men / Avengers fight that she wasn't already at the center of. Does not matter how heroic her heart is.

[hyperactivator]

What if she were the only one who could save the day? Not that I read any early comics during a Marvel panel at C2E2 that would suggest that. No.

[salinea]

*sighs*

let me tell you the internet, this is a tough fandom to be in when you don't like spoilers.

[spacebetween]

Well at the end of the day heroes have to make hard choices and if she can honestly believe that she can help she might as well go for it.

[salinea]

well the context will have to change a great deal for it to seem like she's not adding dire insult to injury.

[drmcninja]

Everything about this is awful. The art, the attempt at foreboding, the dialogue, the narration boxes. This just looks like a train wreck to me.

[salinea]

Much as I hate AvX A LOT so far, I'm always happy when my hardcore addiction to the Maximoff-Lehnsherr family melodrama is fed.

[michael_ellis_day]

See, you only think that because you have taste and discernment.

[eaglet_auditore]

Truly I read this as Wanda thinking:
Another day, another superhero conflict. You'd think the media would get bored. Also, the end of the world is coming, again. Time to get some ice cream, and fudge.

[salinea]

"this is the way the comic industry ends. Not with a whimper, but with yet another superhero conflict."

[trobadora]

So anvillicious. If they had to bring Wanda into this, she really deserves better.

Also, has anyone found Pietro's brain yet? Because there certainly doesn't appear to be one in his head.

[salinea]

I'm not entirely sure anyone in the whole of AvX has a whole brain - see my theory of the Phoenix Force sucking up QI points as it draws near - asides, ironically enough, Magneto.

[trobadora]

Well, to be fair, did Pietro have that many IQ points to lose in the first place?

[salinea]

Oh, snap!

[crabby_lioness]

Wanda doesn't look spooky and creepy at all. She looks sensible. Any intelligent person wouldn't go anywhere near that fiasco.

[salinea]

alas, I fear she won't stay away.

[sherkahn]

moth to the flame...

[md84]

Almost literally, since the Phoenix is a giant fiery death bird. Too bad Wanda isn't particularly moth-like.

[auggie18]

I'm sorry, but those panels with Wanda just radiate bad-assery for me right now. She's all like "two of the most powerful super-groups on earth are fighting, possibly to the death!? Whateves, I gots therapy I needs ta do."

[mrstatham]

Given one group of Avengers essentially allowed one of their members to speak for them as a whole, to give her the finger and tell her to get lost, and back in House of M, I recall it being the X-Men who wanted to kill her, I don't see why she would WANT to intervene for either side.

[salinea]

I like your interpretation.

[lascoden]

He kinda just ditches her there.
"Please...come with me. You're gonna have to get there on your own, though. Bye!"

[salinea]

hehe. Perhaps he's going to go back a flip second later: "so ready to go now?"

[lencannon]

Yeah, WHAT ARE THE ODDS that Wanda could make it there before him

[md84]

And now I'm imagining Scarlet Witch becoming the Phoenix's new host.

[mrstatham]

Given some of the dumber upcoming AvX covers, that seems fairly likely. I'd personally bet ten bucks she becomes the host, sacrifices herself and that ends up resetting Magneto back to villain status, personally.

[icon_uk]

Chthon versus the Phoenix fighting over Wanda as host... that would not end well for ANYONE

[sir_mikael]

Yup, I think so too. They've gotta get her in there in a substantial role somehow, so either she's the key to defeating Phoenix or she becomes the Phoenix.

[suzene]

I'm pretty sure I'm missing something. Did the fight spill over from Utopia to San Francisco?

[lascoden]

Utopia is not that far off the coast of San Francisco, so the traffic copter may have noticed the helicarrior appearing.

[espanolbot]

Wow, weird, when I was suggesting that the X-Men/Avengers infighting was going to cause the world to end, I wasn't being serious.

[brooms]

i really dislike pietro.

the phoenix should go for franklin richards as host.

[salinea]

aww, poor Pietro.


Only if Franklin has to be killed because he's too hysterical to wield such power by himself :p

[kenn_el]

Don't be silly! Franklin's a boy.

[salinea]

Ooops! sorry! I'm so silly being a woman and all! *giggles*

[spacebetween]

He don't need no Phoenix Force when he has a Galactus.

[salinea]

Didn't the Phoenix Force kick Galactus' ass last time they met? I keep hearing people talking about how Rachel when he still had Phoenix went around and fought Galactus and nobody thought the Phoenix Force was anything scary and dangerous back then.

[md84]

At full strength the Phoenix can take Galactus. Of course right now it's been separated into a bunch of fragments. If I recall correctly, three fragments are still stuck in the Stepford Cuckoos who sealed their emotions to keep the Phoenix Force trapped.

[salinea]

I'm pretty sure all of the fragments that were spread out left at some point. Though the PF might still be a fragment of course, but I don't think the Cuckoos still got one.

[lascoden]

Rachel, Korvus, and the Cuckoos all lost their fragments. It seems that the Phoenix is complete, or very near it. I actually heard one theory that Hope is just a fragment of the PF, though.

[arilou_skiff]

I dislike Pietro, but I love reading about him.

[caithyra]

And I'm still convinced that AvsX will boil down to Wanda (backed by reluctant Avengers) vs. Hope (backed by brainwashed X-men), as Hope uses the Phoenix's powers to force every human to mutate, and Wanda ends up over-using her own powers to keep people from dying from forced mutation (like the X-men first movie), and then die and somewhat redeeming herself for House of M. Afterwards, mutants will start being born again, de-powered mutants will regain their powers, and Hope will no longer be a messiah.

At least, that's what it feels like it is building up to, what with Hope being the Mutant Messiah and all the showcasing of Wanda the Mutant Massacrer.

[salinea]

Can we have the same thing without Wanda dying and without the X-Men set as evil?

[caithyra]

I don't want Wanda to die, but at the moment, it seems the most likely, considering that she has the heart of a hero, but the transgressions and past of a villain, and need to balance all those deaths out somehow (plus, she can be resurrected at a later date). And I don't think of brainwashed X-men as them being evil, I'm thinking that Hope, raised with the Mutant Messiah thing drilled into her head, also has those influence/brainwashing powers and are being amplified by the Phoenix, thus making the X-men make bad decisions and fight for her when they normally wouldn't. Furthermore, since Hope expects humans to act stupid about mutants, her influential powers expand across the world and makes all the other factions (Avengers, Fantastic Four, et cetera) act stupid.

And thus, we have this kind of situation, in which everyone acts as if they have Hope's grasp of history and empathy (none which are very developed) despite their personal histories with the Phoenix.

Come to think of it, it would explain why none of the other Avengers protested shutting out Wanda, since as the Mutant Massacrer, Hope would probably hate her and those Phoenix-amplified influential powers could possibly play a part. It's possible that Ms. Marvel, with her past as Binary (another space-energy-something, you know, the white hole thing which could possibly be retconned into being connected to Jean's White Phoenix persona), would be less influenced by the Phoenix-amplified powers and would thus take Wanda's side.

It would also explain how everyone acts about the Phoenix; to Hope, and all those she influences, it is a being of great powers, with a fondness of mutants, who made everyone else tremble in the history books. She doesn't have the knowledge that others have of Jean and Rachel's good days as the Phoenix, so when her influence expands because of the Phoenix, it distorts everything to her own view. Which would also explain why Wanda somehow is having prophetic dreams (she, herself, having reality distortion powers).

*Looks at long comment* Okay, I've officially given this too much thought. Oy vey.

[salinea]

Okay, you're right brainwashed X-Men does not mean they are evil, but it does mean they were all foolish and irrevocably wrong about Hope, I don't like that to make them so much in the wrong versus the Avengers (and vice verca - I think some balance should be maintained).

Not particularly happy with blaming it all on Hope either.

[caithyra]

If it is the Phoenix amplifying Hope's powers beyond the impossible, then one could have Hope be unaware that she's been doing it, and instead is swallowing her own Mutant Messiah hype because the X-men are reinforcing it due to her influence that she isn't aware she's exerting, and on top of that, the Phoenix starts to take Hope's mindset, which means that it feels justified in amplifying those powers. It becomes an Ouroboros situation in which there really is no one truly at fault, yet there's a boatload of guilt and blame to go around.

It would also mirror Wanda's situation (was she influenced by Pietro? Controlled by Doom? Feeling forced into a corner by anti-mutant sentiment? Or did her powers unconsciously alter reality to make those things influence her into altering reality, which shows the utter incomprehensible nature of reality warping powers), in which there is a clear person to hate for all of it, but are they really to blame? They certainly aren't blameless, but were they truly responsible? What's the better course after all this? Punishment or preventing a repeat occurrence?

[md84]

The funny thing is, we've already had an A vs. X fight back in Ultimate Marvel. It was pretty much a curbstomp in favor of the Ultimates.

[salinea]

We already had it in 616 too. It was a miniseries that ended up Magneto's second trial :p

[thanekos]

And, of course..

[eyz]

So...excuse me for not exactly following all 100+ X-Men books, but is this the reason why the Phoenix will be back? Wanda simply magics her back?

[salinea]

No. The Phoenix has been back before this (unless we get a reveal that it's what Wanda was going from before this, but I wouldn't bet on it).

[equinox216]

"October 12th, 1985: Lockjaw carcass in alley this morning, Fantasticar tread on burst stomach. Utopia is afraid of me. I have seen its true face. The Yancy Streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of Elsa Bloodstone and when the drains finally scab over, all the Maggotts will drown. The accumulated filth of all their X-Men and Skrull Kill Krew will foam up about their waists and all the Crystals and Nick Furys will look up and shout 'Save us!'... and I'll whisper 'No more mutants.' "

[salinea]

lol