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[brooms]

sumary: tony stark is richer and also batman and that automaticaly makes him the superior master of magnetism and also sailor jupiter and then magneto gets distracted by space holocaust.





summary: it was in the water, near atlantis, but GIANT FISH and then rocks fell and then jobbing happened.

Don't buy this.

Buy this instead: http://www.comixology.com/FF-17/digital-comic/FEB120594

Comments

[auggie18]

*BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP*


Oh jeez, sorry about that. That was just my massive bullshit alarm going off. I'll see if I can put it somewhere for the rest of this event.

[darkknightjrk]

I flipped through it and...I think most of them made enough sense. Iron Man and Thing didn't literally take either of them out--Thing just kept Namor off the board for a while and will probably break out of those bones sooner or later, and Magneto went down due to understanding on a cosmic level what's going on and that this fight means nothing if the Phoenix gets there.

It also had some hilarious dialogue.

"I propose--"
"Get it through your head, Namor--NO ONE in the Fantastic Four wants to marry you!"

[mrstatham]

Okay, I accept that I was wrong about last week and Spidey's defeat of Sandman, but that is complete bullshit. Also, why is Tony fucking Stark, who helped, in his way, to bring about one of the worst dark ages for the heroes, fucking joking around like this is some kind of a game when he knows the stakes involved?

[mrstatham]

Given we can see Namor flying off anyway, he's obviously able to break free. But the Magneto/Iron Man fight is still complete nonsense; That said, I knew it'd end with Iron Man winning because otherwise it's a completely fucking stupid matchup.

[brooms]

isn't namor supposed to be 100x stronger in the water and near his kingdom?

but a small pile of rocks falling on him and fish bones ko him.

if that's his 100 stronger showing, he can't possibly beat valeria richards in a fist fight on land.

[sherkahn]

Tony had tapped into Jupiter's magnetic fields (via satellite) for a power boost, and Magneto did likewise with other planets and stars. Erik gave up when he felt one of those planets killed by the Phoenix.

But otherwise, Mags should have wiped the floor with Tony.

[bruinsfan]

No, but he's at full Ben Grimm-equivalent strength in the water (as opposed to gradually weakening away from it), plus has a huge advantage over most opponents in being able to breathe, move and maneuver quickly, and use decades of tactical underwater experience.

I can see Ben winning a fight on land (it's pretty much a toss of the coin between them there), but no way does he beat Namor underwater.

[brooms]

these -

http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/7/73574/1427282-namor_thing_super.jpg

http://www.supermegamonkey.net/chronocomic/entries/submariner_78.shtml

happened on land, tho, right?

[trobadora]

I don't see how one of them essentially bowing out equals to the other winning ... *is baffled*

[filthysize]

Because Robert Downey Jr.

[espanolbot]

*raises hand* Although I'm for character consistancy and all, changes being okay if they can make feasible explainations for them and stuff, but really, if all superhero battles are just automatically resolved automatically by the one being the most powerful on paper winning, then all comics would be kind of short and predictable.

Like if every story involving Superman being only a page long as he's already faster and stronger etc. than almost anyone else in his universe, so no one can out think, out fight or out plan him in any way. Nonpowered characters have to be able to fight back against the empowered ones SOME HOW otherwise it just leads into bad storytelling and creepiness like Stardust the Space Wizard.

This is actually one of the points that's been raised in the new Legend of Korra series (which is really, REALLY damn good by the way), in that if you're in a universe where people can set you on fire, drown you or squash you with rocks with a literal flick of their wrist, it generally doesn't end well for the people who aren't able to do those things.

So to counteract this, you have to have nonpowered characters who can fight the powered ones on somewhat equal terms, if only to make the story not both really short and kind of onesided.

[brooms]

Nonpowered characters have to be able to fight back against the empowered ones SOME HOW

if you like stories where, say, black widow head-butts and knocks out the dreaming celestial just like that, then that's fine. but i personaly don't find this sort of story satisfying unless the HOW is very well crafted.

an overpowered foe is a problem that should be solved with cleverness. and i didn't think there was anything clever about the way thing beat namor or tony beat magneto (imo, whipping a random convenient gadget out of his ass is NOT clever).

namor and magneto just got jobbed. maybe magneto not as much, ok, since they weaseled out of it with the ~space holocaust distraction. which in a way is even worse. they didn't want tony to lose and they couldn't think of anything else. what elegant storytelling.

[espanolbot]

Expanding my point more fully on my blog, as I have a tendency to kind of go on for quite some time when I'm in essaymode, and I don't want to hijack your entire thread.

[espanolbot]

In short though regarding the Iron Man example: Really? You're saying that a man who invented multiple suits for fighting the Hulk and actual Gods wouldn't attempt to invent and bring something with him in case he got into a fight with Magneto, while on the way to a situation that rapidly looked like it was going to devolve into conflict between the two groups?

[brooms]

Really? You're saying that a man who invented multiple suits for fighting the Hulk and actual Gods wouldn't attempt to invent and bring something with him in case he got into a fight with Magneto

no. i'm saying convenient random gadget solutions are not satisfying to me as a reader. they're cheap and stale.

[salinea]

It also had some hilarious dialogue.
It certainly felt very.... people channeling their inner Warren Ellis in a Nextwave way and just having fun with it. Not bad at all in itself except I'm not sure in connection with the event (especially with how horrid the story is so far). We'll see.

[brooms]

i really like nextwave, but i didn't care for the dialogue in this at all bar that one propose line already quoted.

am i humorless today or something? i can't tell. :[

but i did like the art? i always love stuart immonen's art, yes!

[salinea]

haha yeah, the art was good.

I dunno what i felt about it myself. Like, if I look at it as something I'm not emotionally invested, it is funny, I like the dialogues & the little boxes. But if I do, it just feels weird and tacky?

[brooms]

tacky?

see, i'm not even this sensitive, idc that tony is cracking jokes in this ~dire moment. i just plain didn't find anything funny. and i'm incredibly easy to please in that department, really. gosh, do i love a one-liner.

idk what's going on.

i guess the way this supposedly "epic" battles were resolved got me too grumpy to even get into the jokes. :| i think i hate this event.

[salinea]

Ah well, I tend to have zero investment in the question "who would win in a fight"

although I definitely think Namor got jobbed (well "so far").

[darkknightjrk]

If a boxer throws in the towel, the victory goes to his opponent.

[drexer]

Tony would have to end up with a mangled armor falling apart at the seams, and go through 5 different backup plans at least each one incrementally increasing his chances for this to be satisfying and not feel like a cop out.

Otherwise it's answering the question "How do you defeat a level 50 Charizard with a Venusaur with":

"Level 100 Venusaur"

When the answer that people want is something more along the lines of:

"Leftovers, Light Screen, Leech Seed, Toxic, Rest, Snore"

Strategy is what makes those fights fair, not MacGuffins.

[espanolbot]

Okay, this I agree with. Not just "He's more physically powerful so he wins by default".

[suszarka]

There's jobbing... and than there's this.
So much really nice art so wasted.

I kind of can give them Tony & Mags. It is still dumb as hell, but they thrown like a bilion of tech-gimmes Tony's way in this one to somehow try and justify it.

Namor and Thing thou? Laughable in a crying-through-tears way. Oy.

Continuity of those fights switches from issue to issue. Next time they do an event they should grab two interns to proof-read their scripts, and the third one to double-check. 'Cause it looks like editors of those stories have better things to do.

[darkknightjrk]

I thought some of the "fun facts" were very Nextwave-y.