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A little over a page from DAREDEVIL 11, the finale to the "Omega Effect" crossover.

Daredevil has a chat with the Punisher's new partner.



Date: 2012-05-01 02:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
Dear Mark Waid,

I love you. This is magnificent. Much like a lot of your Marvel work, you've made me care and see heroes in a new light. Y'know, like real heroes. Please write all of my favorite comics into infinity.

Love,

Simiansyndicate

Date: 2012-05-01 10:21 pm (UTC)
drmcninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drmcninja
Don't be so selfish. Please write EVERY comic into infinity.

Date: 2012-05-01 02:23 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
I wonder if Bruce Wayne would agree with her at least a little bit? Though I think he would definitely agree with Daredevil, too.

Date: 2012-05-01 02:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Bruce was motivated by loss and admits it, but has a great deal of respect for those who the same job for different reasons (Look at his admiration for Jim Gordon).. except when he's in full on asshole mode of course, in which case, no one can understand the depth fo HIS loss... etc etc etc.

He also does everything he can so that other people are not motivated like he is... cf recent the Young Justice episode;

Wonder Woman: [You] indoctrinated Robin into crimefighting at the ripe-old age of nine.
Batman: Robin needed to help bring the man who murdered his family to justice.
Wonder Woman: So he could turn out like you?
Batman: So that he wouldn't.

Date: 2012-05-01 03:23 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (batman--robin (a bat & his little bird))
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
Yeah, I was thinking of that mode of no one can understand.

I LOVE that YJ dialogue.

Date: 2012-05-01 04:35 pm (UTC)
kenwyn89: Luke Skywalker (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenwyn89
Yes, well written Bruce would have something to say.

Date: 2012-05-02 01:32 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
Then there was that one story in which Batman rescued the Thomas and Martha Wayne of an alternate universe and worried if he was doing more harm than good by depriving that world of Batman (which would sound pretty egotistical -- except Batman has done a lot to make the DC universe a safer place). That world's Bruce grew up to be a costumed hero anyway, having been inspired by the shadowy figure who saved his family.

Date: 2012-05-02 02:45 pm (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
I remember that story. It was very, very good.

Date: 2012-05-04 05:52 am (UTC)
cf105: (Default)
From: [personal profile] cf105
How did that go in Whatever Happened to the caped crusader?
Bruce: What is my reward?
Martha: You get to be Batman...

Date: 2012-05-04 08:22 pm (UTC)
biod: Cute Galactus (Default)
From: [personal profile] biod
Who can ask for more?

Date: 2012-05-01 02:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Frank's not even that cynical. Though he does have the advantage of having fought with and against Captain America.

Date: 2012-05-01 02:35 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
During which he shot dead an ally of his own side because he was a criminal, despite the fact that aforesaid ally had given Cap important intel.

Date: 2012-05-01 03:21 pm (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
Yeah, not saying he's not sociopathic. Just that even he acknowledges that people can be motivated without having experienced loss of loved ones.

Date: 2012-05-01 02:34 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I think I want to stand on a chair and applaud, long and loud.

Bravo Mr Waid, Bravo.

Date: 2012-05-01 04:32 pm (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
Wow.

Good on you, Mr. Waid.

Date: 2012-05-01 06:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] werehawk
Motto on the kudos to (the ever humble - see recent interviews) Mark Waid.

My only question is when was Daredevil's costume redesigned by Jim Lee (though he forgot the collar)? Oh, right, Daredevil was rereleased with the new 52.

Date: 2012-05-01 07:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] werehawk
And all, head over to www.thrillbent.com! Waid has put up his new (free) online comics, the first installment of his (and Peter Krause's) Insufferable series and a short Walking Dead-esque story.

Happy reading!

Date: 2012-05-01 08:40 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Oooh, I like Insufferable (Nice wordplay on Invincible and Irredeemable methinks)

Date: 2012-05-01 07:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Part of me thinks this is Waid speaking not only to the industry at large but to his former employers at DC who have retconned so many origins (Ice being the premier example, but to a lesser extent the Marvel Family and then Tim Drake with offing his dad) so that they have a "tragic" motivation for being heroes. Because some people just being naturally GOOD and HEROIC is no longer good enough.

Date: 2012-05-01 09:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I don't think it quite rings true, to every degree, though. Look at Spider-Man, for instance. The guy wouldn't be a superhero at all if it weren't for a tragic incident, he'd still be a jerk, pretty much. And how many times has Daredevil been motivated to act by tragedy? To me, it just doesn't quite ring true coming from a character like Daredevil, who yes, has the resolve to carry on being a hero now, but usually only after he's been pushed to emotional depths of despair. It doesn't ring true when it comes from a Marvel character in general, to me, since the big hooks are meant to be that they're relatable people.

Also, what went on with Tim Drake and the Marvels isn't retconning an origin, merely trying to fit round characters into square holes.

Date: 2012-05-02 12:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
.Look at Spider-Man, for instance. The guy wouldn't be a superhero at all if it weren't for a tragic incident, he'd still be a jerk, pretty much.

According to a FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN story, he'd have mutated into a humanoid Man-Spider and killed the Avengers. Voldemort/PAD wrote it, so we can't post it here.

Date: 2012-05-02 12:29 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Well, fair enough. Everyone knows the PAD rule. But the point still stands. Spider-Man wouldn't be a superhero at all if it wasn't for losing Uncle Ben. He'd just be that jerk exploiting his abilities to his own end.

Date: 2012-05-02 02:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lorriek
I've always thought there was a chance that Peter would have ended up a supervillain had Ben not been killed. Not because I though he would mutate into a monster or anything, but because getting powers brought out the worst in him. He was so bitter and selfish, a genius who felt the world owed him something- sounds like a supervillain origin to me.

Date: 2012-05-02 04:10 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Well, we see it in the film, even, that Peter does just use his abilities for his own personal gain, at first, or at least tries to. I think there's a set of three comics by Kurt Busiek that actually open up the time inbetween him gaining his Spider-powers and Uncle Ben dying. But I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable reaction from Peter that he did get incredibly big-headed after he got his powers.

Date: 2012-05-02 11:54 am (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
Since when you have to make character loose loved one to make him relatable?

Date: 2012-05-02 12:27 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I'm not saying you do. I'm saying it doesn't ring true coming from Daredevil, who has lost plenty of loved ones and gone with the emotional response plenty of times. It's like Spider-Man saying this. It doesn't work.

Date: 2012-05-01 10:23 pm (UTC)
drmcninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drmcninja
I'm curious about what her response was. Her being a marine, I wonder how she would respond to DD's defense of her own brethren from her own attack.

Date: 2012-05-02 12:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
....Ok I didn't have much interest in the Omega Effect crossover..but this alone just sold me.

Date: 2012-05-02 01:08 am (UTC)
starwolf_oakley: (Default)
From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Some of this reminds me of what Greg Rucka wrote last August.

http://www.ineffableaether.com/2011/08/24/light-in-the-dark/

(Pet peeve time: for the contingent out there who sneer at heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman and Captain America, those icons who still, at their core, represent selfless sacrifice for the greater good, and who justify their contempt by saying, oh, it’s so unrealistic, no one would ever be so noble… grow up. Seriously. Cynicism is not maturity, do not mistake the one for the other. If you truly cannot accept a story where someone does the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, that says far more about who you are than these characters.)

Nope, better have some murdered loved ones as motivation.

Date: 2012-05-02 02:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
wow.... i think i need to clean my keyboard....

Date: 2012-05-02 06:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] atom_punk
Well spoken Mr. Waid. I tip my virtual hat to thee.

Date: 2012-05-02 09:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kraesil
A toast to Mr. Waid! *raises glass* The world needs more stuff like this.

...It's juice, ok? I'm not going to get tipsy on you. Or break the law by drinking wine before I'm 18.

Date: 2012-05-02 11:53 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] crabby_lioness
Thank you, Mr. Waid!

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