I love you. This is magnificent. Much like a lot of your Marvel work, you've made me care and see heroes in a new light. Y'know, like real heroes. Please write all of my favorite comics into infinity.
Bruce was motivated by loss and admits it, but has a great deal of respect for those who the same job for different reasons (Look at his admiration for Jim Gordon).. except when he's in full on asshole mode of course, in which case, no one can understand the depth fo HIS loss... etc etc etc.
He also does everything he can so that other people are not motivated like he is... cf recent the Young Justice episode;
Wonder Woman: [You] indoctrinated Robin into crimefighting at the ripe-old age of nine. Batman: Robin needed to help bring the man who murdered his family to justice. Wonder Woman: So he could turn out like you? Batman: So that he wouldn't.
Then there was that one story in which Batman rescued the Thomas and Martha Wayne of an alternate universe and worried if he was doing more harm than good by depriving that world of Batman (which would sound pretty egotistical -- except Batman has done a lot to make the DC universe a safer place). That world's Bruce grew up to be a costumed hero anyway, having been inspired by the shadowy figure who saved his family.
Motto on the kudos to (the ever humble - see recent interviews) Mark Waid.
My only question is when was Daredevil's costume redesigned by Jim Lee (though he forgot the collar)? Oh, right, Daredevil was rereleased with the new 52.
And all, head over to www.thrillbent.com! Waid has put up his new (free) online comics, the first installment of his (and Peter Krause's) Insufferable series and a short Walking Dead-esque story.
Part of me thinks this is Waid speaking not only to the industry at large but to his former employers at DC who have retconned so many origins (Ice being the premier example, but to a lesser extent the Marvel Family and then Tim Drake with offing his dad) so that they have a "tragic" motivation for being heroes. Because some people just being naturally GOOD and HEROIC is no longer good enough.
I don't think it quite rings true, to every degree, though. Look at Spider-Man, for instance. The guy wouldn't be a superhero at all if it weren't for a tragic incident, he'd still be a jerk, pretty much. And how many times has Daredevil been motivated to act by tragedy? To me, it just doesn't quite ring true coming from a character like Daredevil, who yes, has the resolve to carry on being a hero now, but usually only after he's been pushed to emotional depths of despair. It doesn't ring true when it comes from a Marvel character in general, to me, since the big hooks are meant to be that they're relatable people.
Also, what went on with Tim Drake and the Marvels isn't retconning an origin, merely trying to fit round characters into square holes.
.Look at Spider-Man, for instance. The guy wouldn't be a superhero at all if it weren't for a tragic incident, he'd still be a jerk, pretty much.
According to a FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN story, he'd have mutated into a humanoid Man-Spider and killed the Avengers. Voldemort/PAD wrote it, so we can't post it here.
Well, fair enough. Everyone knows the PAD rule. But the point still stands. Spider-Man wouldn't be a superhero at all if it wasn't for losing Uncle Ben. He'd just be that jerk exploiting his abilities to his own end.
I've always thought there was a chance that Peter would have ended up a supervillain had Ben not been killed. Not because I though he would mutate into a monster or anything, but because getting powers brought out the worst in him. He was so bitter and selfish, a genius who felt the world owed him something- sounds like a supervillain origin to me.
Well, we see it in the film, even, that Peter does just use his abilities for his own personal gain, at first, or at least tries to. I think there's a set of three comics by Kurt Busiek that actually open up the time inbetween him gaining his Spider-powers and Uncle Ben dying. But I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable reaction from Peter that he did get incredibly big-headed after he got his powers.
I'm not saying you do. I'm saying it doesn't ring true coming from Daredevil, who has lost plenty of loved ones and gone with the emotional response plenty of times. It's like Spider-Man saying this. It doesn't work.
(Pet peeve time: for the contingent out there who sneer at heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman and Captain America, those icons who still, at their core, represent selfless sacrifice for the greater good, and who justify their contempt by saying, oh, it’s so unrealistic, no one would ever be so noble… grow up. Seriously. Cynicism is not maturity, do not mistake the one for the other. If you truly cannot accept a story where someone does the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, that says far more about who you are than these characters.)
Nope, better have some murdered loved ones as motivation.
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I love you. This is magnificent. Much like a lot of your Marvel work, you've made me care and see heroes in a new light. Y'know, like real heroes. Please write all of my favorite comics into infinity.
Love,
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He also does everything he can so that other people are not motivated like he is... cf recent the Young Justice episode;
Wonder Woman: [You] indoctrinated Robin into crimefighting at the ripe-old age of nine.
Batman: Robin needed to help bring the man who murdered his family to justice.
Wonder Woman: So he could turn out like you?
Batman: So that he wouldn't.
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I LOVE that YJ dialogue.
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Bruce: What is my reward?
Martha: You get to be Batman...
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Bravo Mr Waid, Bravo.
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Good on you, Mr. Waid.
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My only question is when was Daredevil's costume redesigned by Jim Lee (though he forgot the collar)? Oh, right, Daredevil was rereleased with the new 52.
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Happy reading!
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Also, what went on with Tim Drake and the Marvels isn't retconning an origin, merely trying to fit round characters into square holes.
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According to a FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN story, he'd have mutated into a humanoid Man-Spider and killed the Avengers. Voldemort/PAD wrote it, so we can't post it here.
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http://www.ineffableaether.com/2011/0
(Pet peeve time: for the contingent out there who sneer at heroes like Superman and Wonder Woman and Captain America, those icons who still, at their core, represent selfless sacrifice for the greater good, and who justify their contempt by saying, oh, it’s so unrealistic, no one would ever be so noble… grow up. Seriously. Cynicism is not maturity, do not mistake the one for the other. If you truly cannot accept a story where someone does the right thing because it’s the right thing to do, that says far more about who you are than these characters.)
Nope, better have some murdered loved ones as motivation.
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...It's juice, ok? I'm not going to get tipsy on you. Or break the law by drinking wine before I'm 18.
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