Cyclops' plan?

[salinea]

2 pages from Uncanny X-Men #11 & 3 pages from AvsX #3



HEY I MADE THAT JOKE. SORT OF.



There's your "solid, unqualified win", Cap.



Here Tony makes one of those "you're starting to sound like me" speech that Magneto has been giving Scott a lot lately.











Scott plays dirty.

I like it.

Comments

[starwolf_oakley]

First, let's remember that Phoenix saved the universe that time because mad emperor D'Ken tried to use the M'Krann crystal to destroy it. There was a certain sense of self-preservation there. No universe means no stars for the Phoenix to eat.

Second, I wonder if Scott is acting like this because he figured "This time, *I'm* going to be the rebellious bad boy who goes against the system and does what he wants and won't play by your rules!"

Finally, let's say Hope does whatever Cyclops thinks she will do, and mutants births start happening. So, in 14 years will Cyclops arrive at someone's front door acting the way he claims the Avengers are acting now?

[salinea]

I don't think Cyke see it as being a rebellious bad boy. I think he's seeing it as their last hope (no pun intended) while being in a place of great desperation. He's been acting as if they had their back against the walls and they'd do anything not to be pushed more since Decimation.

[yvonmukluk.livejournal.com]

Don't be ridiculous.

Mutants can do no wrong, because blahblahblah persecution.

But the real question is what's going to happen when people found out that he was willing to risk everyone on Earth (including other mutants!) dying to jumpstart his people? Knowing Marvel, there won't be any consequences for Scottneto, among the general population (because they hate mutants anyway, only this time they'll have an actual reason) or the heroic community (because status quo is god).

[nyadnar17]

As oppose to what? I mean what exactly is Cap's plan here? Play keep away from the freaken Pheonix? How exactly is that a better plan that Cyke's "have the chosen host of the Phoenix control the power so the Pheonix doesn't kill everything".? That is the only plan that has worked the last 4+ times the X-men have delt with the Pheonix. I don't see how the fact that once Cyke has the Phoenix under control he want to use it to bring his species back from exitiction make it any more of a bad plan this time around than it was the last four times the X-men have done this.

[yvonmukluk.livejournal.com]

well, Hope is presumably what the Phoenix wants, yes? The Avengers want to take her somewhere so that the Phoenix diverts course away from the Earth (where everybody lives) so it can bond to her there, with fail-safes set up in case she goes Dark Phoenix. There's nothing conflicting with Cyclops' plan, there, just the location of where the Phoenix and host meet. Phoenix-Hope can come back to Earth and get the mutant party rolling once the Avengers are satisfied that she's not going to burn the world or take it over.

The main concern regarding the host is that she has had little, if any, direct Phoenix contact before, not to mention being raised on the run while being told she's the Mutant Messiah, which would give anybody issues. not to mention controlling behaviour over the Lights, which does not bode well for the Earth. Even if it was Jean who the Phoenix was coming for, the Avengers would probably be a bit nervous, in light of its current behaviour. Of course, Jean would know the risk better than anyone, and would gladly go if it meant nobody would risk getting hurt other than herself.

Of course, unfortunately both the Avengers and X-Men have been issued Jocular Joe's 'Marvel Big Ball'o'Conflict'((c) Marvel) which means they're acting like complete morons in the interest of punching one another in the face. I normally like the X-Men, but Cyclops is acting like the bigger idiot here, and worse an idiot who's willing to risk the world burning because he's unwilling to compromise. It kind of comes off as superdickery, except not remotely funny.
Cap: The Phoenix is eating planets, and coming our way!
Cyclops: That's precisely what I'm HOPING for! dohohohoho!

(cont)

[yvonmukluk.livejournal.com]

(I decided to split this com

Here's how it should go:
Cap: cyclops, the Phoenix is coming to Earth, and burning every planet in its way. We want to move Hope offworld so it reunites with her there. I hate to do this, but it's putting the whole planet at risk otherwise.
Cyclops: Alright. But the X-Men are coming too. She's mutantkind's last hope (no pun intended). But I don't want a repeat of what happened with Jean if i can help it.
Cap: I understand. I'll leave some people to protect utopia in your absence. Shall we?
(they leave).
While they're en route, they have a philosophical debate over the merits of repowering mutantkind (can it be controlled. By the time they arrive, Cap and Cyclops have drawn up a plan of action in case the repowering plan works, and the X-Men start working together with the rest of the Marvel Universe again. Logan is obviously unhappy with leaving Hope alive before the Phoenix finds, but Cap and Cyclops both suspect he might try something so keep him under watch. He talks to Hope, who reaffirms giving him permission to kill her if she goes Dark Phoenix.

Then the Phoenix shows up, and Jean takes Hope to the white hot room and talks to her about the responsibilities of being a Phoenix host, as well as urging her to support Xavier's dream of peace between humans and mutants. Hope, appropriately Phoenix'd up, reveals she wants to go back to Earth, and Cap reluctantly agrees. Hope returns the mutant powers to earth, but not just to people who were mutants beforehand (and not even all of them), as its not something she can fully control. there's some big fight with the Avengers and X-men taking on some anti-mutant threat (maybe one or more of those big sentinels from Schism?). The good guys win, but only by working together (including the kids from Utopia, Avengers Academy and the Jean Grey School) It ends with Wolverine and cyclops having a respectful conversation in front of the Jean Grey School, suggestion that some of the scars of Schism are beginning to heal. Hope leaves Utopia to help mutants around the world, as well as figure out what she wants to be.

Of course, then you couldn't call it Avengers vs. X-Men.

Re: (cont)

[icon_uk]

You're bringing sense and rationalism into the debate... what have we told you about doing that on the Internet?

Re: (cont)

[yvonmukluk.livejournal.com]

Oh god, IT KEEPS HAPPENING