scans_daily: Vision vs Magneto

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salinea) wrote in

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@ 2012-05-03 09:42 pm UTC

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char: magneto/erik magnus lehnsherr, char: vision, creator: brian michael bendis, title: avengers

Vision vs Magneto

So apparently I missed this, which I've hastened to rectify because I shall not miss out of anything of the great Magnus family EPIC TRAGEDY.

Context: Ironman has just rebuilt/awakened Vision and brings him up to date with what happened in Disassembled, and him and She-Hulk make sure to namedrop Magneto in a blaming way because Bendis doesn't write in a contrived way at all and apparently nobody believes Doom.

So Vision decides to pay his former father-in-law a visit.

... well that was brutal.

(Don't ask me how that fits with the Vision's one tear of sadness when Wanda did visit the Avengers in AvsX #0).

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mrstatham
2012-05-03 07:51 pm UTC (link)

So the Vision must be the most conflicted guy ever. First he basically tells Wanda to go fuck herself and the Avengers back him up in an utterly bros before hos manner, and now he's all "I NEED MY HUGGY WANDA WOOBIE BOOBOO!". Make up your mind, guy!

Also, Magneto - Really not helping portray your side as good guys when you stoop to the usual level of 'superhero misunderstanding fight' without it even being a misunderstanding.

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salinea
2012-05-03 07:54 pm UTC (link)

I think the thing with Wanda was after, timeline wise. Still pretty weird of him. Hilariously, both were written by Bendis.

You know... Magneto was not particularly nice at first (which I'm not sure why unless I'm missing some background which is very possible given how little I've read with Vision); but after Vision actually asked him why he didn't kill himself yet... I can't blame him for losing his cool. Because, dude, not cool.

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yvonmukluk.livejournal.com
2012-05-03 08:25 pm UTC (link)

Maybe he reflected on events and considered he might have overreacted? I mean, it was the trauma of losing their children that caused Wanda to cause Disassembled and all the other stuff, and he felt that pain as well. I mean, there was that scene in JLA/Avengers where the two of the are looking out into space (having seen a vision of how their universe would be once it was fixed) and Vision simply says, 'I know, my love.'

That was a very sweet scene.

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	no subject mastermahan 2012-05-03 09:17 pm UTC (link)
	Magneto went way beyond "superhero misunderstanding" there. Asking someone why they don't kill themselves is dickish. Monologuing about you can control someone's body and force them to do horrible things without feeling any guilt is out-and-out supervillain. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

	no subject nyadnar17 2012-05-03 07:56 pm UTC (link)
	I don't care what kinda of point someone has. Dude walks into my house and grabs me by the heart I am putting him through a wall....assuming I survive the first part of course. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 08:01 pm UTC (link)
	Yeah. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2012-05-04 01:02 am UTC (link)
	motto (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject darkknightjrk 2012-05-03 07:58 pm UTC (link)
	"and apparently nobody believes Doom." Considering how half-assed and shitty the end of Children's Crusade was, they really shouldn't. Also, with the way Vision's thrown out, I can't help but think of this. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 18 comments) (Show 18 comments)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	yeah, Doom's "I was I all along!" was pretty half assed, so that part is no surprise. But to blame Magneto, of all people, for Disassembled OR Decimation (>_>) felt just... pretty facepalmey. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 17 comments) (Show 17 comments)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2012-05-03 08:00 pm UTC (link)
	Vision doesn't seem to grok the bit about being nice to people whom you are asking for help. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 08:04 pm UTC (link)
	Heh. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 09:06 pm UTC (link)
	This again feels like the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing. Vision is written one way, not wanting to know Wanda from anything, and now...oh i want to speak to her. and yet both were written by Bendis!! (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 7 comments) (Show 7 comments)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 09:08 pm UTC (link)
	yeaaah, sometimes his writing really makes me facepalm. Which is a shame because I think he's pretty good when he tries. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 4 comments) (Show 4 comments)

	no subject crabby_lioness 2012-05-03 09:55 pm UTC (link)
	I'm really getting annoyed at how Mags' adult male kin feel free to blame him for all their own shortcomings. I get that he's desperate enough for some kind of a relationship that he lets them, but it still stinks. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 15 comments) (Show 15 comments)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 09:58 pm UTC (link)
	Mags really does seem to have an easier time with his relationship with female characters in general (with a handful of exceptions like Xavier and, recently, Scott). (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject bruinsfan 2012-05-04 02:19 am UTC (link)
	I do think Pietro has some basis for grief there, as his first contact with Magneto was being drafted into the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants and turned into a supervillain/terrorist. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject long_silence 2012-05-03 10:20 pm UTC (link)
	It's kinda bothering me that Vision has been back for a while now and he hasn't even bothered to meet Billy and Tommy. He's just as much their parent as Wanda is. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 11 comments) (Show 11 comments)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 10:23 pm UTC (link)
	How long do you figure he's been back? And did anyone bother tell him? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 10 comments) (Show 10 comments)

	no subject thatnickguy 2012-05-03 10:34 pm UTC (link)
	Hasn't Vision been back for awhile? I mean, he was in Young Avengers, right? That happened very shortly after Disassembled. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject salinea 2012-05-03 10:36 pm UTC (link)
	Different Visions. The Vision from Young Avengers, aka Jonas, is, err, no longer amongst us. This Vision, the original Vision who used to be married to Wanda, has been brought back very recently in Avengers. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 2 comments) (Show 2 comments)

	no subject lascoden 2012-05-04 04:18 am UTC (link)
	I believe it does. I'm not sure, but I think Bendis did say that AvX 0 took place after this. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject lbd_nytetrayn 2012-05-04 06:34 am UTC (link)
	Wow, talk about a heart attack... (Reply to this)

	no subject spacebetween 2012-05-04 10:19 am UTC (link)
	Well if the Vision goes intangible Magneto shouldn't be able to affect him, so that would give him some protection. (Reply to this) (Thread) (Expand) (Hide 3 comments) (Show 3 comments)

	no subject lascoden 2012-05-04 12:00 pm UTC (link)
	Well, If all he does is change his density, then Magneto should still be able to grab him. There would just be less of him to grab. But, since we've seen Mags grab bullets out of deep space, I doubt it would bother him. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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