scans_daily: The Trinity of Sin Revealed

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@ 2012-05-05 06:38 pm UTC

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The Trinity of Sin Revealed

Okay so, in the DC New 52 FCBD (Free Comic Book day for the uninitiated) Issue, it was revealed who the Trinity of Sin are.

One was Pandora, the other, as assumed, was the Phantom Stranger, and the third, probably comes to a surprise, ends up to be a person who appears to be The Question aka Vic/Charlie Sage.

(Sorry for the Quality, but i took it with my camera phone….)

What I found interesting was the reveal of the Phantom Stranger’s Identity.

As far as I remember, there have only ever been hints as to who he used to be. But in the FCBD issue, it seems like it is pretty much revealed who he was.

Hmmm Forgive me as HE would… interesting…

You’re greed has darkened the World forever… those are Silver Pieces that the Wizard (i am assuming) is playing with.

The Silver Pieces are what form his necklace, thing.

I think if it is not clear, it is pretty heavily implied that the Phantom Stranger is Judas Iscariot, the man who in Judeo-Christian teachings betrayed Jesus for Thirty Pieces of Silver. The fact that they say his greed “Darkened the world” and the items used to bind him are pieces of silver. As well as the “Forgive me as HE would Line” (since Jesus Preached Forgiveness). Judas was actually one of the implied identities for the Phantom Stranger, and i think this has been one of the biggest “hints” we have ever been given as to his identity. Interesting :D

Now the other Reveal, the Third member of the Trinity of Sin is revealed as I said above, to be the Question.

The Anti-Establishment, the No Face, and the Question Mark Puff of Smoke seem to indicate that this is the newest incarnation of the Question. Im interested to see how this plays out… It’s a different take, and it can be interesting….

The Third member of the Trinity is Pandora, and she is revealed to be…

Yeah as most people suspected, she is THE Pandora. As in Pandora’s Box.

What i find interesting is that the mythical Pandora is a Pre-Judeo-Christian Character, Judas Iscariot is a Judeo-Christian Figure. So, since these two sinners have been pulled from percievably different ages, its possible that the Question pulled her was pulled from a more modern era. Meaning that the Likely hood that he is still Victor Sage seems all the more likely. The Rock of Eternity stands outside of time and space so it is conceivable that these Gods, Ancients, or Wizards have been able to pull the three “greatest” sinners from all of time to the Rock from their respective time Periods. So there You have it. Pandora, Judas Iscariot, and Victor Sage, are the Trinity of Sin. Im actually very interested to see where they will go with this… Color me intrigued DC.

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	no subject bewareofgeek 2012-05-06 04:28 am UTC (link)
	I doubt he's Vic Sage in any meaningful sense. "Rise to power" and "Fear my name" suggests a conqueror or dictator of some sort. And a proud one, at that. Red hair suggest European, possibly Celtic or Germanic. Actually, a candidate comes to mind. A stupid one, but one that fits the pattern. Could he be Loki? (Reply to this) (Thread) (Hide 14 comments) (Show 14 comments)

	no subject bewareofgeek 2012-05-06 04:47 am UTC (link)
	Second possibility. Cain, who was traditionally a redhead. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 13 comments) (Show 13 comments)

	no subject shadowpsykie 2012-05-06 04:53 am UTC (link)
	hmm possible.... though i like the idea of him being a modern character who did something "evil" according to these archaic types... i mean all pandora DID do is open a box.... Maybe Vic owned a Tumblr.... (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 8 comments) (Show 8 comments)

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bewareofgeek
2012-05-06 05:06 am UTC (link)

The key is "sin". Judas was the biggest sinner of the New Testament... he betrayed Christ.

(The fact that he was basically destined to do it apparently doesn't matter)

Pandora was the biggest sinner of the Classical era. She release the troubles into the world.

The Third Sinner would have to be someone of equal villainy. The first murderer would be a logical choice. He was the first to KNOWINGLY sin. Doesn't match the whole "rise to power" or "fear my name" bit, unless he was retconned into a warlord or something.

I'll wander through Wikipedia tomorrow, see what names stick out.

If you want to investigate, consider what name he might have been trying to say...

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shadowpsykie
2012-05-06 05:16 am UTC (link)

Hmmm Cain could work... And honestly pigment SHOULD be one if the sinners... But I still feel like one is a classical sinner, one is a biblical sinner... The third should not be either.... Maybe... Julius caesar? Alexander the great? But some how that doesn't fit with the.... Gravity? Of the other two... So we are back to cain (it WOULD kinda connect with the Religion of Crime and the Faceless that Rucka cooked up....)

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sir_razorback
2012-05-06 06:00 am UTC (link)

I reject your reality and substitute my own.. :)

More seriously though, it's been ages since I've read the story of Cain and Abel. From what I can recall though, Cain wasn't particularly evil. He was jealous, killed his brother and instantly regretted what he did. Then he was sent off, found a wife and spawned a brood of kidlets. Where the wife came from, I don't know, and my old sunday school teachers started giving me the oddest looks when I asked them questions like that.

Alexander would work, but you're right about him not quite being of the same caliber. Hitler did *not* look like that, so he's out I think. Ditto for Rasputin, although his face isn't quite as broadly known so there could be punting there.

It could be meta-textual. It's literally nobody, since he's been wiped from memory. Completely invented, like the Sentry was. We'll never know because that info has been removed.

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shadowpsykie
2012-05-06 06:07 am UTC (link)

Well... cain didn't instantly regret it... he was afraid of punishment... and was unrepentant. he's known as the first murderer and again would fit in here. Pandora brought Evil into the world, Judas was a betrayer and as they said here "Darkened the world" by taking part in Killing Jesus.

Now Cain would have brought murder into the world

if we look at it this way though. Pandora is classical sinner, Judas is a Christian Sinner, and Cain is a Abrahamic sinner (encompassing muslim and jewish teachings...) so cain could still fit the formula.... i guess part of the story will be answering, ahem... the Question :D

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	no subject jlbarnett 2012-05-06 12:54 pm UTC (link)
	actually wasn't it Jesus' crucifixtion that supposedly save the world. It's the whole "died for our sins" thing. THey never say that dying of old age or something would have been as effective (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject sir_razorback 2012-05-07 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	You know, I think we're overthinking the whole ting. The red hair, lean frame, he must be a Weasely. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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shadowpsykie
2012-05-06 06:23 am UTC (link)

(The fact that he was basically destined to do it apparently doesn't matter)

People seem to get muddled here. His sin wasn't betrayal (though that is what he was known for) his sin was despair. instead of repenting, asking for forgiveness or mercy, he killed himself. he lost faith and fell to despair not believing that Jesus/god would forgive him (which is basically rejection of them) and hung himself. If you remember Peter also basically betrayed Jesus by denying he knew him. But he sought Jesus' forgiveness, that is the key difference.

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	no subject cainofdreaming 2012-05-06 02:10 pm UTC (link)
	Pandora was the biggest sinner of the Classical era. Gods, Zeus especially, would disagree. For them the greatest sinner was Prometheus, who gave fire to the people. I.e. the basis for civilization. Pandora was just their scapegoat for punishing the humanity for that. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject dr_archeville 2012-05-06 05:34 am UTC (link)
	Wasn't Vandal Savage revealed to be Cain? (Hunh, Vandal Savage & Vic Sage both have the same initials...) (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject bewareofgeek 2012-05-06 09:47 am UTC (link)
	Pre-52. I don't read Demon Knights, so I don't know if that's been brought over. Interestingly, one of his descendants is (or will be) in DC Universe Presents. Her name? Kass Sage. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

	no subject mistervader 2012-05-08 01:18 am UTC (link)
	Wait, did Vandal Savage stop being Cain in DCnu? (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent) (Thread) (Hide 1 comment) (Show 1 comment)

	no subject alexanderlucard 2012-05-10 02:24 pm UTC (link)
	Yes. Cain is now the first vampire ala Vampire: The Masquerade as seen in Justice League Dark and I, Vampire. Vandal Savage wasn't Cain until a few years ago anyway. (Reply to this) (Thread from start) (Parent)

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