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Okay so, in the DC New 52 FCBD (Free Comic Book day for the uninitiated) Issue, it was revealed who the Trinity of Sin are.



One was Pandora, the other, as assumed, was the Phantom Stranger, and the third, probably comes to a surprise, ends up to be a person who appears to be The Question aka Vic/Charlie Sage.

(Sorry for the Quality, but i took it with my camera phone….)




What I found interesting was the reveal of the Phantom Stranger’s Identity.

As far as I remember, there have only ever been hints as to who he used to be. But in the FCBD issue, it seems like it is pretty much revealed who he was.




Hmmm Forgive me as HE would… interesting…




You’re greed has darkened the World forever… those are Silver Pieces that the Wizard (i am assuming) is playing with.







The Silver Pieces are what form his necklace, thing.

I think if it is not clear, it is pretty heavily implied that the Phantom Stranger is Judas Iscariot, the man who in Judeo-Christian teachings betrayed Jesus for Thirty Pieces of Silver. The fact that they say his greed “Darkened the world” and the items used to bind him are pieces of silver. As well as the “Forgive me as HE would Line” (since Jesus Preached Forgiveness). Judas was actually one of the implied identities for the Phantom Stranger, and i think this has been one of the biggest “hints” we have ever been given as to his identity. Interesting :D

Now the other Reveal, the Third member of the Trinity of Sin is revealed as I said above, to be the Question.




The Anti-Establishment, the No Face, and the Question Mark Puff of Smoke seem to indicate that this is the newest incarnation of the Question. Im interested to see how this plays out… It’s a different take, and it can be interesting….

The Third member of the Trinity is Pandora, and she is revealed to be…







Yeah as most people suspected, she is THE Pandora. As in Pandora’s Box.


What i find interesting is that the mythical Pandora is a Pre-Judeo-Christian Character, Judas Iscariot is a Judeo-Christian Figure. So, since these two sinners have been pulled from percievably different ages, its possible that the Question pulled her was pulled from a more modern era. Meaning that the Likely hood that he is still Victor Sage seems all the more likely. The Rock of Eternity stands outside of time and space so it is conceivable that these Gods, Ancients, or Wizards have been able to pull the three “greatest” sinners from all of time to the Rock from their respective time Periods. So there You have it. Pandora, Judas Iscariot, and Victor Sage, are the Trinity of Sin. Im actually very interested to see where they will go with this… Color me intrigued DC.

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Date: 2012-05-06 02:03 am (UTC)
hawkmoondirge: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hawkmoondirge
Color me intrigued as well, what could ol vic sage have done that was so....evil?

Date: 2012-05-06 02:05 am (UTC)
simiansyndicate: (Default)
From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
Y'know, I wanted Vic Sage back. He was my Question.

This...this ain't him. Like much of the DCnU, I'm seeing things that either irritate me, offend me, or make me not give a single damn. This one has a touch of the first, and a heaping buttload of the third.

*sigh*

Back to watching JLU...

Date: 2012-05-06 02:34 am (UTC)
turtlefu: (Default)
From: [personal profile] turtlefu
I am literally crying right now. I mean, I actually have tears in my eyes because of them getting rid of Renee.

They have taken Renee away. They have re-replaced her with Charlie, but he's not even Charlie since his circumstances are now completely different. This is now complete proof that DC is just full of regressive, immature fanboys who care more about the Silver Age than good stories, and who claim they care about diversity but are perfectly happy to shelve their minority characters when there is a "better" white, male version available.

I have such a strong personal connection to Renee. She is my favorite character of all time, and she is one of those characters in fiction that have seriously inspired me in the my real life. To just get rid of her? I can't in good conciounce support anything DC ever again. It's too bad, but I have now sworn off all DC.

Date: 2012-05-06 02:50 am (UTC)
hawkmoondirge: (Default)
From: [personal profile] hawkmoondirge
If i remember correctly, the question (montoya) appeared in batwoman as well in a background capacity

Date: 2012-05-06 03:29 am (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
Added to the ledger of DCnU's many sins: giving the Phantom Stranger a definitive origin.

Date: 2012-05-06 03:34 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I think I'm fine with this take on The Question--I mean, with the exception of Greg Rucka, pretty much every writer who's taken him creates their own take on him, from Objectivist hero to Zen investigator to urban shaman. Hell, he doesn't even have to be a villain at this point--since his identity has been wiped away, he wouldn't remember what took him to that direction and could go somewhere different.

Date: 2012-05-06 03:34 am (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
... wasn't Judas a redhead?

(Eh, so was Thor.)

Date: 2012-05-06 03:54 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
-Y'know, I wanted Vic Sage back. He was my Question.

This...this ain't him. Like much of the DCnU, I'm seeing things that either irritate me, offend me, or make me not give a single damn. This one has a touch of the first, and a heaping buttload of the third.-

That's one of the things- when someone is attached to a character, they're attached to that character, not the name or what have you.

Date: 2012-05-06 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] bulletsandbraclets
To tell the truth, I have to to wrap my head around this new origin before I can give an opinion.

Date: 2012-05-06 04:21 am (UTC)
kenn_el: Northstar_Hmm (Default)
From: [personal profile] kenn_el
I scanned these earlier today at http://kennowen.blogspot.com/2012/05/so-phantom-stranger-isjudas.html, but I wasn't as certain as you as to who The Question was supposed to be. I think he WILL be Vic Sage, but that he might have been some other figure prior to the de-facing, but that's just my take. Poor Pandora, though. She didn't actively 'sin', and was not deserving of being a part of the 'Trinity'. Not too happy with The Stranger's identity either. I like a man of mystery.

Date: 2012-05-06 04:21 am (UTC)
glprime: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glprime
And once again, I'm flipping off the DCnU continuity. I reject your reality and substitute my own!

Date: 2012-05-06 04:28 am (UTC)
bewareofgeek: (Crazy)
From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
I doubt he's Vic Sage in any meaningful sense.

"Rise to power" and "Fear my name" suggests a conqueror or dictator of some sort. And a proud one, at that.

Red hair suggest European, possibly Celtic or Germanic.

Actually, a candidate comes to mind. A stupid one, but one that fits the pattern. Could he be Loki?

Date: 2012-05-06 04:44 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] blueprintstyles
Vic sage had red in JLU, Personally i'm interested in what he did to be branded evil considering it's the darkest of the the dark ages it doesn't take much to be considered evil.

Date: 2012-05-06 04:47 am (UTC)
bewareofgeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
Second possibility. Cain, who was traditionally a redhead.

Date: 2012-05-06 05:06 am (UTC)
bewareofgeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
The key is "sin". Judas was the biggest sinner of the New Testament... he betrayed Christ.

(The fact that he was basically destined to do it apparently doesn't matter)

Pandora was the biggest sinner of the Classical era. She release the troubles into the world.

The Third Sinner would have to be someone of equal villainy. The first murderer would be a logical choice. He was the first to KNOWINGLY sin. Doesn't match the whole "rise to power" or "fear my name" bit, unless he was retconned into a warlord or something.

I'll wander through Wikipedia tomorrow, see what names stick out.

If you want to investigate, consider what name he might have been trying to say...

Date: 2012-05-06 05:10 am (UTC)
kraesil: (mouse)
From: [personal profile] kraesil
Not so intrigued as hoping DC doesn't screw this up.

Date: 2012-05-06 05:34 am (UTC)
dr_archeville: Doctor Arkeville (Default)
From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
Wasn't Vandal Savage revealed to be Cain?

(Hunh, Vandal Savage & Vic Sage both have the same initials...)
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