What the Fu...

[generator_rex]

So, in the Beyond Comics, Warhawk's origins are explained. We already got the Death of DCUA Vixen, well the down notes continue to play.
Not NSFW per se, but avoid if squemish or a Hawkman fan.


(Reminder: In JLU Shadow Thief was a dark portion of Hawkman's soul.)

So Adam Strange details the history of Thanagar since "Starcrossed" and why Shadow Thief was on Earth to kill Vixen.




Will we ever see a time when Rann and Thanagar won't hate each other.

So Katar Hol steps forward to end the threat of the Shadow Thief.

Yikes, just yikes.
This really bugs me for several reasons:
1) It's needlessly graphic
2) It seems like a very un-Rannian form of execusion. I associate Rann with being more advanced than de-winging and Crucifixion. It just seem more like a Thanagarian way.
3) It's that DCAU canon, it should stick to the rules of a good Saturday Morning cartoon, deaths are not directly shown, but rather heavily implied.
But that's just me.

So They track down Shadow Thief to show dark planet.

For Mari.
Well, the Guardians get involved, claiming John murdered the Shadow Thief.



So, the Guardians are just as poor judges as they are in the main books. I mean Shadow Thief was not alive, he was an aspect of a dead man. Also the Guardians remove 2814 from Lantern jurisdiction, screwing all other planets in the sector and well as completely neglecting to mention what will happend the KYLE RAYNER, the other human Lantern in the DCAU. This was obviously just explaining why there were no Green Lanterns on Earth until Kai-Ro.

For those who were wondering: John and Sheyira return to Earth to bury Vixen in Africa. 9 months later Rex is born. 18 years later, Warhawk liberates Thanagar from the Gordanians.

Woo. this post was far more ranty than originally intended.

Comments

[randyripoff]

Will we ever see a time when Rann and Thanagar won't hate each other.

Nope. It's much more "realistic" for them to be enemies.

[yvonmukluk.livejournal.com]

Oh come on!

Even the Galadorians (did I spell that right?) and the Dire Wraiths stopped being enemies in the first Annihilators miniseries.

[glprime]

The "oorah" moment reads a bit clunky. (I mean, I'd love for him to cap a badass boast with that, but the attached line is clunky.)

And apparently the Guardians' vast knowledge does not include the key differences between "gift" and "right."

[darkknightjrk]

Hell, a lot of John's dialogue was clunky in general. "Don't you lecture me! You who have not loved, and lost." I'd like to think that Shayara's next line after "John" was, "...Are you having a stroke or something? You're not making any sense."

[icon_uk]

It's clunky, but it does makes sense since he's paraphrasing "It is better to have loved, and lost, than never to have loved at all."

I have more of an issue with the Guardians saying Earth will have to "Make due" when the term is "Make do"

[darkknightjrk]

It does make sense, but it's still clunky. I can't help but be reminded of Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back when they write a reply back to the internet posters who were insulting them. "YOU are the ones who are the ball lickers!"

[q99]

You know, I don't get/like the Beyond comics take on things, it's not really in theme with the shows.

[darkknightjrk]

There is some great stuff in the Beyond-verse, but hell, even the original cartoons had their weird, depressing stuff. I mean, Bruce is very driven, terse, and prone to mood swings, but I'd like to think he'd keep his shit together enough so that he didn't live completely alone until he was in his 90s.

[q99]

Yea, but, like, the Batman Beyond comic shoving aside all of Terry's old villains to focus on re-does of recent comic ones like Hush?

And depressing stuff was in the backstory but it wasn't the focus of the stories.

[majingojira]

They entice is with what we like, and then destroy or dismiss it to give us things we loath.

Wonderful. Just wonderful.

[q99]

Mainly, their aims tend to be to give us more of the same.

Earth-2? Make everyone 20-somethings rather than the ages we're used to them with. Beyond? Make it based on modern DC rather than the Beyond stuff.

[darkknightjrk]

"Earth-2? Make everyone 20-somethings rather than the ages we're used to them with"

But wouldn't making them as old as they were before be giving us more of the same?

I do agree that the mix of the DCAU and the modern continuity in the Beyond stuff bothered me. I mean, I LOVE Batman Incorporated as a concept--casually introducing it off-hand in the Beyond-verse just threw me off.

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

"Earth-2? Make everyone 20-somethings rather than the ages we're used to them with"

But wouldn't making them as old as they were before be giving us more of the same?

In a way, but it would also be taking away something that makes them fairly unique and making them similar to 90% of the heroes out there.

[darkknightjrk]

On one hand, I can grok what you saying. But...these characters being older and from the WWII era has been around since 1961. I see what they're doing with the Earth 2 characters being akin to what Marvel did with the Ultimate Spider-Man comic--kept the core of the characters in place, but made them younger and starting out in the modern day. That's something they've never done before, and I think between that and Robinson's writing, is enough to make it feel fresh and truly invigorated the characters.

[q99]

-But wouldn't making them as old as they were before be giving us more of the same?-

We've got a ton of books on 20-somethings, and pretty much nothing on older heroes. JSA-type books have always been a minority, and now it's a 'there are no books like it'.

[arbre_rieur]

True, but they've replaced it with the set-up of a universe where all the superheroes died fighting off an alien invasion years ago, and now a new group of heroes must step up. That's also unique, I'd say, and a significant departure from more of the same.

[darkknightjrk]

...When did Hawkman become one with the Thanagarians? With it being at least based off of DCAU continuity (it might be in the same weird place as the current Batman Beyond where there's a mix of both), Hawkman had ancestry with Thanagar, but he wasn't a full alien.

[majingojira]

And with that plot hole, we can dismiss this mistep as non-canon quite easily.

[daningram.insanejournal.com]

Man, Beechen really just flips through wikipedia articles, doesn't he?

Because that's the only way he could get the impression that Carter Hall was from Thangar (sp). In JLU, he was born human, and used artificial wings.

Also, dunno why we needed to see Warhawk's 'origin'. 'John Stewart and Hawkgirl bang'. We needed two issues for that?

[generator_rex]

Actually Justice League Beyond is written by Derrick Fridolfs and Dustin Nguyen.

[daningram.insanejournal.com]

Don't bring facts into my bashing!

[md84]

Wow, is there anything this story did do right? Carter in the DCAU ISN'T A THANAGARIAN. HE DOESN'T HAVE REAL WINGS.

And the whole point of the second episode starring him was that he personally extinguished Shadow Thief and had gotten over his resentment of John. And even if Shadow Thief was still around, shouldn't Shayera have been a priority target?

As if the textbook fridging wasn't bad enough. This...this just shows a total lack of respect for the source material. This story is a disaster.

At least the "Guardians being judgemental jerks" is consistent with other media.

[darkknightjrk]

"At least the "Guardians being judgemental jerks" is consistent with other media."

Except in the current animated series, apparently. When the Guardians accepted the blame for their crimes in the Forbidden Sector, I was fucking SHOCKED.

[tpsreports]

If they needed a hyper-space bypass, they should have called the Vogons.

[lilacsigil]

...but he didn't use the ring to kill anyone? Am I missing the point here?

[darkblade]

He used it to propel a bullet which killed the Shadow Thief.

Of course he was essentially a ghost (physical manifestation of the subconscious of a dead man). So killing might not be the right word.

[lieut_kettch]

Too bad the Guardians here didn't go all LETHAL FORCE ENABLED.

[lieut_kettch]

Anyone notice how John's eyes glow red with rage when he confronts the guardians?

Makes me wonder if there's an Atrocitus in Earth-12's 'verse.

Still, BOO! at the Mari fridging.

[big_daddy_d]

For those who were wondering: John and Sheyira return to Earth to bury Vixen in Africa. 9 months later Rex is born.

...so what..you mean they fucked the day that Mari was buried then? Because that would be really fucked up and only makes me think that much lowly of John/Shayera.

[lascoden]

They mention in the story that weeks passed between the burial and him being conceived.

[jaybee3]

Still John was just about to marry Vixen and had been with her for quite awhile. Shouldn't the period of grief be more than a few days/weeks before he's back in bed with his ex?

[lascoden]

BOOM, headshot!

[wizardru]

I'm just going to continue to ignore that this comic exists.

Seriously, if they wanted to do a continuation/examination of the JLU Beyond world, why couldn't they have gotten any of the numerous talented artists and writers who worked on the previous DCU titles and who UNDERSTOOD IT.

Guys like Ty Templeton, for example.

[kraesil]

Icon says all.

[jaybee3]

The DCAU is not a good place to be (or read about) if you are a fan of Hawkman (which I am). I never got the hatred Carter/Katar seemed to engender unless people saw him as an impediment to their one true pairing of Shayera and John.

Obviously whoever wrote this thought so - how does Warhawk come into being - via the deaths of Vixen and Hawkman and grief sex (if Warhawk is really born 9 months after they bury Vixen) - how romantic.

[icon_uk]

As far as I'm concerned this ceased to be anything to do with the DCAU a long time ago. From the moment, in fact, where Dick was badly injured by the Joker some time after Return of the Joker.. clearly the timelines fragmented hideously, with one timeline continuing being awesome, and the other timeline being... this. It even reached back and wrecked the already creepy, but not as creepy as this, Hawkman-as-stalker.

[jaybee3]

I wrote off the DCAU as soon as they said that Batman Beyond WAS the future of the DCAU Batman. Bruce Wayne may be a jerk and occasional a tool but I refuse to believe the humane and sympathetic Batman/Bruce who appeared in the Animated Series and then Justice League and then JLU would turn out to be the pathetic, isolated figure that Batman Beyond had him as (who got involved with his adopted son's ex-girlfriend, Barbara, something Timm & Co. said that he did just because they KNEW it was all kinds of wrong).

Morrison's pre-reboot idea that it was an elderly Damien who became Terry's mentor made a heckuva lot more sense than what they did to Bruce.

[werehawk]

Hello, your scans are not showing anymore - they say they have too many views. Could you repost them, or any Rann/Thanagar or Green Lantern/Guardian ones? And what issue is this from?

Thanks (back from vacation)