Bye , bye Earth 3...

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

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[sailorlibra.insanejournal.com]

Definitely the best world evah,

I was under the impression that they hadn't be destroyed, however. Since this world appeared in JLA before IC happened. Was that just a fluke or did Earth-3 secretly survive?

[(Anonymous)]

Mark Waid brought back the multiverse with The Kingdom in the late-ish 90s. Since the multiverse was back Grant Morrison wrote JLA: Earth 2 (Since Earth 2 didn't exist, Earth 3 moved up one space, but it recently had to move back, alas what a short lived promotion.)

Then I don't know what happened because the multiverse appeared as late as Kurt Busiek's JLA run, but still DC announced Infinite Crisis and everybody went nuts because it was going to bring the multiverse back... and the whole thing is all kinds of retarded, but that's how DC works. DC is like God, but instead of mysterious, it's retarded.

But in short, that's why Earth 3 appeared before IC.

I used to post as Cissie King in the old SD, but I haven't created an account here yet.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Yeah "earth 2" was an awfull title for that GM Book. The KB brought them back as the crime synducate from Qwad,they now were changed by what happened in JLA/ Avengers so now they could move between worlds ect. As for post Final Crisis , who the hell knws anymore. Insane journal isn't bad I did a little exploring earlier today,so I may use this for other things as well.

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

> As for post Final Crisis , who the hell knws anymore.

People capable of reading.

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

Okay, that was too bitchy, but THAT part of FC is the less complicated of them all.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Ok , I'm all ears let me have it.

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

The multiverse is just like it was before Final Crisis started, but now without monitors. Nothing happened to it. TA-DA!!!!

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Ah, where did the monitors go ?

and what about that scheme of Monarch's ?

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

> Ah, where did the monitors go ?

Nowhere I guess. They just don't monitor anymore, or at least they no longer go around hunting people for leaving their universes.

> and what about that scheme of Monarch's ?

That was Countdown, and I don't think even DC knows what that was all about.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

So, batman and the rocket are back in the past ? Batman has taken up cave painting as Gotham decends into chaos ?

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

> Batman has taken up cave painting as Gotham decends into chaos ?

Gotham doesn't even exist back then, so it's not descending into anything. You gotta think it in four dimensions.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

No i just mean Bats must have know what would happen to Gotham if he left.

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

Considering he left an army of sidekicks behind, I don't get why the place is falling to pieces. But anyhow, there is not much he can do from the stone age. He either builds his own time machine or waits to be rescued. Either way, he'll return to Gotham when he returns to Gotham.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Hmmm, do you think there is anything to come out of Legion of 3 worlds other than the fate of Superboy Prime (that would impact the Final Crisis)?

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

Don't think so. If you mean rescuing Batman from The Flintstones, I don't think that will happen until issue 700 and that one is a few months away. We will probably have a year without Batman, and then Electric Batman and then Batman blue and Batman red.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Don't forget Cyborg Batman, multiple cover vaiations...

[04nbod.insanejournal.com]

Brainiac telling Superman about the miracle machine maybe?

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

lol, that should be good.

[geoffsebesta.insanejournal.com]

I don't know if he left as much as "got there really, really early."

[ebailey140.insanejournal.com]

And the cave he's in now, um, then, is the future Batcave? The cave paintings are a message?

With his luck, it'll be Harley who'll figure it out...

Harley: WAIT A MINUTE!!! Maybe... Maybe he painted these!!!

Selina: Sigh... Harley, we've established that these were made in the Stone Age!

Harley: But... Instead of being killed, maybe he got sent back in time! And... And, he painted these so we'd find them, as a message! If we can work out exactly when these were painted, we can get some of those time travel guys, go to the right time in this very place, and rescue him!

Selina: Harley... You're not crazy, any more. Remember?

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

There was a strange silver age story called : the first Batcave. it was about a native american Batman. In Modern times the dynamic duo frind arrow heads and cave painting about hime and use hypnosis to visit the past.

[mr_terrific.insanejournal.com]

Ah, where did the monitors go ?

The Monitors are retired and living like kings in Patagonia.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Also I thought what Waid brought back was "hypertime" not the Multiverse. (?)

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

Same thing in practice.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

That makes my brain all hurty...

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

Well, before Hypertime writers couldn't use parallel universes in DC stories. A universe where everybody is evil, a zombie, has a beard was almost impossible.

Some writers managed to pull it off from DCU Vertigo books where they didn't care about stupid limiting rules like that, or they showed a parallel universe but called it a "pocket universe" just so everyone could pretend it was something else; because for some reason a certain number of dumb fans had convinced themselves that the multiverse was a bad thing and that it was too complicated for their feeble minds and that's why it had to go away. Never mind that Marvel had a multiverse and nobody complained; probably not even the same fans who complained about DC but also read Marvel.

So, Mark Waid presented the concept of Hypertime to bring back the concept of multiverse without undoing Crisis on Infinite Earths. And that's how we got Grant Morrison's Earth 2 book and other things like the Superboy: Hypertension storyline. And then DC published Infinite Crisis and we all have to pretend that never happened and that the multiverse was back at last.

And that's the short version of why I should rule the universe and my death squads should ride across the land thinning the herd.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Superboy: Hypertension ?

More info please :)

[cissie_king.insanejournal.com]

I don't remember much about it, but i remember liking it. It was about Superboy traveling through the multiverse to save... something.

This page explains it better: http://www.geocities.com/hypertime2000/features/hypertension/index.html

[buttler.insanejournal.com]

It's worse than that, I'm afraid. The Crime Syndicate of Amerika's Antimatter Earth is not the same as the Crime Society's Earth 3. Both versions have showed up since Infinite Crisis, although never in the same story. So now we have two alternate universe evil JLAs to worry about.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

So, your saying there is the potential for Superwoman on Superwoman action ?

[buttler.insanejournal.com]

Potential? Heck, I'd say it's a moral imperative.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Dueling lassos.

[cmdr_zoom.insanejournal.com]

Fans of the Silver Age waited and wanted and hoped for the multiverse to come back, even though the whole point of the original Crisis was to get rid of it (and all that confusing history). Instead, all that DC managed to accomplish was making its single new continuity even MORE confusing, in part because no one seemed to be able to agree what the new story was going to be. (Part of the old multiverse's job was to allow for such variance between artistic vision.)

There were a number of attempts to bring it back, partly inspired by rosy nostalgia but also by the awareness that as a matter of practicality, you can't have "all stories are true" in a setting with so many creators and so much scope... but like the various incarnations of Supergirl, people kept tripping over each other trying to do it "right" according to their ideas. Thus you got stuff like Hypertime, 52, etc. By now it's gone through so many reinterpretations that it's hard to say just what the structure of the DCU cosmos is supposed to be. It's the same problem bumped up to the next level of meta - everyone wants to tell THE DEFINITIVE STORY of how all stories are possible.

Moral of the story? "Too many cooks spoil the broth" and/or "be careful what you wish for," I'd say.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Thing that DC found is that the (mainstream) comics they put out afterward alienated everyone but their oldest fans, who LIKED all that confusing history.

Mainstream fans like that stuff. Otherwise Marvel would no longer exist, as if you recall they've never thrown out said history, and theirs is a lot more twisty and vast, whereas what was confusing about DC is that often they ignored it. They were trying to be more like Marvel in adhering to only one.

[liliaeth.insanejournal.com]

The silly part is that now, Marvel is trying to be like DC, by ignoring vast bits of its continuity while pretending it all makes sense.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

One more day...

[foxhack.insanejournal.com]

"Otherwise Marvel would no longer exist, as if you recall they've never thrown out said history, and theirs is a lot more twisty and vast, whereas what was confusing about DC is that often they ignored it."

... Did you ever look at Brand New Day? :\

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Until recently, I should have said. And yes, I did, and GOD was it lame. Pretty art though.

[ebailey140.insanejournal.com]

I don't see where it's confusing. Nobody promised to undo CoIE, and reset everything like it was.

Hypertime was just a device to allow for re-setting continuity at any point. What happened in Infinite Crisis/52/Countdown was something different, recreating the Multiverse, but not the same one we had, before.

All this is is allowing any story with these characters in any medium and Age to have happened, somewhere. The main DCU is Earth-0. Whatever else has been done that doesn't fit in main DCU continuity happened on one of these other Earths. The Golden Age comics that don't fit current continuity happened on Earth-2. Whatever in the Batman animated series from the '90s and it's spin-offs has it's own Earth. There's an Earth for The Dark Knight Returns and it's tie-ins (It has a number, but I prefer the name someone at the old Scans Daily gave it: The Goddamn Earth). Towards the end of Countdown, one of the Earths became Kamandi's, which is where the New Gods wound up at the end of Final Crisis.

So, presumably, Earth-1 would be the Silver/Bronze Age Earth. Don't know what shape it would be in, though, after Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow.

What we likely won't get are the annual crossovers, or entire series set on one of these other worlds. Too bad, because I liked the DCAU. :)

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Towards the end of Countdown, one of the Earths became Kamandi's, which is where the New Gods wound up at the end of Final Crisis.


There is a body of work to suggest that Kirby wanted to link Kamandi to the fourth world, "The great didaster" having been caused by a rouge Boomtube accident.

Maybe we shall hear more.

[kentsplace.insanejournal.com]

for me this made Ultraman cool. The whole fight until the end thing still works for me.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

Yeah you get the idea that somewhere in the final moments ,Ultraman realize he should have been a hero.

[jlroberson.insanejournal.com]

Is it just me that noticed Earth-3 heroes have no taste in costumes? Between Alex Luthor's gold leotard and his dad's...I don't know, especially-retarded-Rams-fan get-up, I mean...

You can always tell it's 80s Wolfman by the amount of times people say "Lord."

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

SO true...

[mwisse.insanejournal.com]

Such a great bit in a series that was bursting at the seams with great moments. Wolfman and Perez managed to make Ultraman as noble as any of the other Supermans while still keeping him a villain.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

As an opening scene it really set the tone for the rest of the book. How do you face the end ? What regrets surface,what do you learn when the end comes. If you were 13 it was high art.

[buttler.insanejournal.com]

Oh, indeed. I'd always loved the Crime Syndicate and was sorry to see them go, but that was one badass finish for Earth-3.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

I wonder what the Earth 3 Aquaman would have been like ?

[buttler.insanejournal.com]

The Anti-Matter Crime Syndicate's Earth has one called Barracuda. I don't think I ever saw one on either the pre-Crisis or post-52 Earth 3, tho.

[buttler.insanejournal.com]

Oh, and I think one showed up in the Brave & Bold cartoon. Not that that's canon by any means.

[volksjager.insanejournal.com]

The the Aquaman on Earth 3 would have been relivant and have to be shoehorned into every story ? LOL