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Okay, does anyone recall how James Robinson was going on on Twitter about how much he despised Thomas Edison and how it'd be a cool idea to somehow use him as a villain in Earth 2? I'm calling it now: Terry Sloan here is going to be Robinson's modern day Edison stand-in.

Also, the Flash's heroic debut:



Date: 2012-07-20 07:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] q99
-Okay, does anyone recall how James Robinson was going on on Twitter about how much he despised Thomas Edison and how it'd be a cool idea to somehow use him as a villain in Earth 2? I'm calling it now: Terry Sloan here is going to be Robinson's modern day Edison stand-in.-

Seems likely.

(And I'm not an Edison fan either ^^)

Date: 2012-07-20 07:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Hmm. Mr. Terrific. Tesla. T. (An immigrant to the US, just as Mr. Terrific here seems to be not native to this Earth).

He is being rather upfront about his supervillainy, though, announcing that he's going to attack Mr .Terrific for potentially interfering with his goals in front of all those people.

Date: 2012-07-20 08:27 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Edison wasn't exactly Mr. Subtlety either. His big idea for discrediting Tesla was to use his alternating current to electrocute small animals in public.

The man was a psychopath.

Date: 2012-07-20 08:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
And prisoners- but it wasn't to electrocute Tesla in public, after explaining that he was doing it in order to discredit Tesla's alternating current.

Date: 2012-07-20 08:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
And an elephant. Though it had killed people, so I guess it counts as a prisoner too.

Date: 2012-07-20 08:56 pm (UTC)
espanolbot: (Default)
From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Don't forget deliberately bankrupting the French director of A Trip to the Moon via stealing the copies of the film so he can distribute them in his own cinemas and rank in the money from ticket says said director was counting on, as well as hiring thugs to smash up Tesla's workshops (proven) and allegedly being involved in the death of another French film pioneer, who mysteriously vanished on a train, mid-journey, while going to try and patent his new camera.

Date: 2012-07-20 09:06 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
That last one's stretching it a bit, unless there's evidence I don't know about, since it comes down to "Edison had had an argument with this guy once, and you know, inventions, so he could probably make someone vanish from a train."

That said, he did send Rasputin's ghost to assassinate Tesla.

Date: 2012-07-20 09:10 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
And he tried to hire Jonah Hex to murder Tesla in the DCU in due to Tesla hiring some men to attack one of Edison's science compounds in retaliation for Edison stealing the designs of some robots created by a friend of his.

...If that makes sense. Jonah turned Edison down on the basis that he receives bounties for killing criminals occasionally, but he's not an assassin.

Date: 2012-07-23 12:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] spookycake
Oh, that puts the pilot episode of the Murdoch Mysteries TV series into an entirely different perspective now. O_o

Date: 2012-07-21 01:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
These people are terrified. The reaction every time one of the costumed heroes shows up (save for the Apokarats bit with Flash) is the same...a frantic discussion about whether he (Hawkgirl hasn't interacted with anyone but Flash, yet) is a 'Wonder', or an Apokaliptikan. So Sloane can easily spin Mike as a bad guy. If he successfully whacks him, that is. The heroes do a pretty good job of convincing people they're, you know, heroes each time.

Date: 2012-07-20 09:17 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Aw, same Sloane's a villain here, and basically Lex Luthor, but whatyagonnado?

He didn't really have any stick out moments like Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Welsey Dodds or Ted Grant, but he was still cool in his own right. Besides one of the other main JSA members (Jay?) accidentally killing him while under Nazi mindcontrol.

Date: 2012-07-20 09:27 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
... why hate Edison?....

Date: 2012-07-20 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
See: the discussion above.

Date: 2012-07-20 11:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stolisomancer
People have begun to notice how awesome and ahead of his time Nikola Tesla was, due to both history and his portrayal in stuff like Atomic Robo, and one of the lessons one learns from Tesla's life is that Thomas Edison was an enormous dickhead.

Date: 2012-07-21 06:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Generally when people incorperate blackmail, misinformation, plagarisism etc. into your business strategy to get a firmer grip on the world, people get bitter about it.

As an example of what people thought of him after meeting or dealing with him in person is the joke that the reason why Hollywood is in California is that the filmmakers wanted to get as far away from Edison as possible.

Not in the least because he organised stealing films so he could collect the royalties for himself.

Date: 2012-07-21 08:27 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] blackruzsa
Dickhead. Slip into the Tesla side of things. Or don't. Either way, Edison's track record screams dickhead.

Date: 2012-07-22 05:10 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-07-20 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] jlbarnett
Anyone think Sloan there looks like the guy turned into the Question in the free comic day book?

Date: 2012-07-20 11:42 pm (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Why the Thomas Edison hate?

Date: 2012-07-21 02:30 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
See above discussions.

dude was basically a real life Lex Luthor.

Date: 2012-07-21 06:50 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Lex Luthor)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Holy shit...you know..now that I think about it..I remember reading about it in Assassin's Creed 2..but that's a video game so can easily take info with a grain of salt. Still..damn.

A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-21 06:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] espanolbot
Let's put it this way, Edison pioneered the Direct Current form of electricity, which isn't very strong over long distances and required another substation every few blocks or so. Nikola Tesla, which initially worked for Edison, told him that he could make an effective Alternating Current generator, which could send electricity further with few substations.

Edison told Tesla that if he could do it, then he'll give him $10,000. So Tesla went away, invented it and came back, only for Edison to refuse to give him any money, telling him "you obviously don't understand the American sense of humour".

After this Tesla left Edison's company (Edison kept the AC generator though, as he had teams of inventors working for him developing stuff, which he then patented under his own name) to set up his own company. Where he was commissioned to make a hydroelectric generator from Niagra Falls, which he did. This also proved that Tesla's ideas behind AC generators worked, and began the first step on the road for his long term goal "free wireless electricity for the world".

Due to the infrastructure of the USA being built around substations centred on Edison's DC current, he wasn't going to stand around while his monopoly was being threatened by someone with a better system. So he had to resort to the only tactic he knew to remain on top. Namely: a muge misinformation campaign!

He started a propaganda campaign about how dangerous Tesla's AC currents were, and even used it to electrify numerous criminals and an elephant (who was a criminal, it squashed like six people on seperate occasions) to death to show how dangerous it was. He hired gangs of men to smash up Tesla's laboratories, he seized the opportunity to get newspapers to latch onto Tesla's "eccenricities" (the guy was possibly obsessive compulsive, a germophobe and possibly autistic) to brand him a dangerous mad scientist.

Who won the War of the Currents? Well Tesla eventually went bankrupt, due to him not having the business savvy of Edison, and his reputation was tarnished to the extent that no one would take him seriously any more. So Edison maintained his monopoly on the electrical infrastructure... that is, until someone after Edison's death independantly checked the difference between AC and DC and realised, "Hey, AC's better", which resulted in it being the form of current everyone uses now.

Now Tesla wasn't flawless in his genius (he rejected atomic theory and thought that electricity was an "aetheric fluid"), but at least he didn't go out of his way to squash his competitors.

It would have been like if in the 90s Bill Gates had run a ad campaign telling people how Apple computers eat people.

Re: A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-21 06:50 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Lex Luthor)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
So not only is he a Lex Luthor he's also a dick.

Re: A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-21 07:03 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Not only that, he even paid local kids to bring him stays and other small animals so he could put on live exhibitions of electrocuting small animals with AC currents.

And I don't care if that Elephant was a killer, that was still a pretty despicable thing to do to an elephant.

Re: A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-21 08:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kenn_el
DC used to use Direct Currents as their update theme.

Re: A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-21 01:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drexer
Disclaimer: Edison was indeed a dick. This however in now way supports or proves all of the crazy theories that one might find across the internet attributed to Tesla.

His earthquake machine was not something revolutionary, it was a resonance mechanism that was given bigger fame by rumour and gossip. His ideas for a death ray to destroy the moon were probably imagination or exaggeration. He was not one of those geniuses which we see on comic books which if he had lived we would be living in a world with robots and jetpacks nowadays, and he was not killed by a secret Illuminatii/Catholic/Whatever conspiracy.

He was a very clever scientist which gave us some very important steps in the incremental stepladder of scientific advancement.

PS: Nothing personal against the talk, but I've come across so many irrational Tesla fanboys across the internet that they've almost made me hate any mention of his accomplishments for fear of what speech might come afterwards.

Re: A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-21 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
I don't know about destroying the moon, but he certainly *claimed* to have plans for a Death Ray (or a teleforce device, or a Peace Ray). This is not to say it would have worked, either practically (see earlier comments about his misconceptions about how electricity actually worked) or ideologically (he was of the theory that if all countries head death rays, and they were too big to easily transport, then no one would be able to go to war. Sort of a predecessor to Atomic Peace theory).

http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9402E6DC153FE53ABC4952DFB166838F629EDE&scp=27&sq=Tesla+defense&st=p

Re: A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-21 04:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] drexer
That's exactly the kind of thing I'm talking about. There are far too many people spouting those things as feasible creations (if only he had had the chance) for me not to get annoyed.

Specially because those people do not consider that he went through a period of insanity in his later life.

Re: A Summary of the War of the Currents

Date: 2012-07-22 04:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] junipepper
"It would have been like if in the 90s Bill Gates had run a ad campaign telling people how Apple computers eat people."

He didn't, but you know -- only because he didn't think of it... ;-)

Date: 2012-07-22 12:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] venatosapiens
I'm kind of shocked at how bad the dialogue is here. "Honey, I'm scared?" "They would have eaten us! You saved our lives!" It's just stunningly wooden. Is this the same Robinson who did Starman and The Shade? Was he always like this and I just never noticed?

What makes it sting is that there are some really cool ideas here. But it's hard for me to read something written this dully.

Date: 2012-07-23 07:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] eyz
Okay, Jay's new costume's kinda growing on me. It looks way better in those pages than the actual cover.
Though I still find it very un-Jay Garrick-ysh. More like "what if Bart grew up under Jay's wing to become The Flash following his legacy, not Barry's"-kind of thing.

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