Wolverine & The X-Men #12/Avengers #29 [SPOILERS]

[kingofallmutants]

So, remember how we all thought that Cyclops was losing it after this:




When we figure he thinks Rachel is lying to him about not finding Hope? Turns out the situation was more involved than that. Becuase this is apparently what really happened.





Yep, it was really Chucky X. And after knocking everyone out cold, including Phoenix-Namor, he rewrites all their memories of the fight and has one parting message for the Avengers:

Comments

[shadowpsykie]

hmmm... interesting.... the MOST interested this series has had me....

but why is X abstaining...

i'm still not likeing the Avengers here one bit....

[neurotic_kitten]

Is this story arch making sense to anybody at all? Is there a point to all of this other than as an excuse for a crossover event? I'm really trying to give it a chance, but the more I read of it the more a dislike it for how little sense it makes.

[stolisomancer]

1) It is an excuse for a big splashy summer crossover event. The Versus series, if nothing else, has made it clear that it's pretty much just a big Superhero Punch Comic with no greater aspirations.

2) There are a lot of continuity snarls but I'm reasonably confident it'll make sense once I can sit down and read it all at once. If you just read the main book, that's pretty straightforward, and lots of the tie-ins are just seeing those events from a different perspective.

[crabby_lioness]

I'm just reading Any Wheeler's recaps. Somehow he finds the humor in it, although I'll note it takes him a long time sometimes.

I've got a pile of unread comics I'm trying to talk myself into reading just to see my favorite characters, but that hasn't worked in three months.

[brooms]

Is there a point to all of this other than as an excuse for a crossover event?

yes. apparently, it's centralizing editorial control by putting the x-men under the avengers' wing.

[salinea]

I thought it was supposed to be two different times... because it makes no sense... no sense at all.


Wait, it doesn't anyway.

[salinea]

Also, Rachel? You're not her sister, you're her aunt. C'm'on, do try to follow.

[shadowpsykie]

sister-aunt-cousin she should just say she's a summers :D

[icon_uk]

Except didn't Rachel drop the Summers surname after Scott and Emma became a couple and switched to Grey instead.

[shadowpsykie]

*shrug* she's still a summers. Pietro and Wanda and Billy and Speed are still Lehnsher's regardless of not having the same last name

[angelophile]

Wait, SHIELD can "implant" psychic shields into its agents that make them immune to the most powerful telepath on the planet? Are they don't make them standard issue to all Avengers etc why?

I know certain characters can build up resistence to outside influence but it just being like a plug in and that powerful just seems utterly ridic.

[salinea]

Not Shield, Hydra.

oh wait, she does say Shield. Weird. I was sure it had to do with her hydra backstory.

[mrstatham]

Knowing the whole complicated shebang with Jess Drew, I wouldn't be surprised if she was lying.

[terrykun]

Because SHIELD has psychics of their own, that they don't want Avengers being immune to?

[angelophile]

And those SHIELD psychics are immune to the most powerful telepath on the planet with a plug-in-and-go psychic shield? That's like saying because SWAT teams get given bullet proof vests, they can withstand a nuke.

[doomisay]

I don't think Chuck is the world's most powerful telepath, anymore.

[auggie18]

He'd still be top five, probably. Particularly seeing as he took out Rachel, who is definitely top five, particularly in raw power.

[doomisay]

Rachel supposedly lost quite a bit of power when the Phoenix remnants she still had left her. That's why her hound tattoos are visible again.

[sianmink]

Well she can still whomp Thor on an even playing field, so that's mighty powerful.

[brooms]

who is? currently juiced up with phoenix-force emma notwithstanding.

psylocke? quentin quire?

[doomisay]

Quire is most likely, Others under consideration would be Cable and the Stepford Cuckoos.

[angelophile]

Quire's a valid suggestion, actually, since he's been shown taking out the Cuckoos in the past, although even when he was juiced up on Kick, he didn't psychically attack Xavier directly, which is telling. But his power levels in the recent Brian Wood mini were through the roof, so there's certainly an argument to be made he's more powerful than Xavier now. But even if Xavier's levels have been dropped, he's still got years of experience and takes out characters here who also have psychic shielding. That's still massively powerful.

[icon_uk]

SHIELD's Esper Division has never been their strong point, they had some low level psi's and one really powerful telepath IIRC, and he went and became the criminal Mentallo.

[shadowpsykie]

yeah... this didn't make sense to me either....

[the_eleven]

Well, it is difficult to be the top spy of the world if your mind can be read. That would mean anyone who could read Nick Fury's mind would then himself be the top spy in the world and make Fury less special.

Fury would decline to hand it out because he wants to maintain the ability to spy on the Avengers using psychic techniques since they are so woefully underprepared to deal with them. Not quite sure how Spider-Woman makes the cut and the Black Widow doesn't but eh.

[icon_uk]

Or Captain America.

[mrstatham]

I don't think anyone's saying Black Widow doesn't. She got KO'd by Rachel before Xavier revealed himself, after all.

[bj_l]

Jessica used to hang around the X-Men and Wolvie quite a bit. I'm assuming that she picked up some things from them about how to stregnthen even basic shields.

[icon_uk]

Except Xavier is surprised that she's still standing. If she'd learned the technique from him, he'd know she could cope with it.

[auggie18]

Yeah, but Charles is taking out one of the world's top five telepaths with what seems like little effort. This is implying that years of telepathic study and one of the strongest minds on the planet somehow offers less protection than a psi-shield made by SHIELD. Even bolstered by some psi-prevention techniques, that's a little disturbing.

[icon_uk]

Indeed, she has those shields and yet Captain America doesn't? Not buying that for a moment.

[valtyr]

Mmm... I don't find it terribly believable, but Fury's psychically fucked with Cap before (Secret War) and when Fury went rogue, Spider-Woman was about the only person Fury stayed in touch with - they did have a particularly close/trusting connection.

Of course, she was also Veranke the Skrull Queen then, so IDK.

[lilacsigil]

I suspect that (while Jessica says SHIELD) Hydra did it, and they'd happily mutilate parts of their agents' brains to keep them immune on long-term infiltration missions like the one Jessica did. Probably not a thing that any vaguely sane organisation would do, but the only way a "plug-in" makes sense in this context is if it's usually so damaging or dangerous that it isn't used. Otherwise every SHIELD agent would have one.

[the_eleven]

Good point that the information comes from Drew's dialogue, and she cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

[freezer]

So Xavier has officially taken Dr. Strange's "I can't step in because reasons" slot?

[jcbaggee]

Xavier stated in New Avengers, when the Illuminati are brought together again, that he can't bring himself to raise a hand against the X-Men, particularly Scott, who he still views as a son.

[angelophile]

So, that's a yes?

[lucky_gamble]

Glad I didn't waste my money on this issue. Crisis averted.

[roguezombie]

This doesn't make that much sense continuity wise for the crossover. But that been happening so much anyways. It like the prison that they are keeping the Avengers in. Is it the one run by Danger or is it in Limbo? How did the two storylines with the Kree fit in with each other?

Also it's kind hard to sympathies with the professor and his ~my dream is dead~ considering he's been patting Scott on the back for the past few years. The dream died when they created Utopia.

[theflames]

hahah, oh Professor, go to the fridge, get your milk and cookies and cut the dramatics.

Acting so above it is reckless and idiotic. He's obviously chosen a side since he's purposely stumbling Scott and helping hope... so why doesn't he just admit it? He doesn't get to be the nice man in the wheelchair if he just abstains and acts when it's convenient.

[brooms]

hahah, oh Professor, go to the fridge, get your milk and cookies and cut the dramatics.

he was in ibiza sipping mai tais and hanging out with his son and they dragged him into this mess possibly to assassinate whatever is left of his character even further and then kill him off.

it's p. tragic.

#LeaveCharlesAlone

[md84]

Yep, Xavier is doomed. Again.

[blackruzsa]

Deus ex machina via Xavier? :0
But honestly this is the first thing that's made sense to me since the start of this arc.

[nyadnar17]

Cyclops is the man. He is operating on a level so far ahead of me I can't even fathom it sometimes. On paper this whole sequence should be garbage, but the execution left me fanboy gidy.

[wizardru]

OH, I see. Professor Xavier can't stop a conflict that might kill the human race or stop all the killing and violence for the same reason that Reed Richards can't cure cancer: because the plot says he can't.

Got it.