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And a sort of drive-by victim of the whole AvX, Marvel NOW! thingies is the New Mutants, which reaches it's conclusion with #50



Most of the New Mutants had zero profile in AvX (I assume they have GREAT agents) aside from Sunspot and, I think, Magma making very brief cameo's. The title itself was busy with a completely different sort of story at the time: A corrupt/evil/alien possessed "Dark Cypher" (Though sadly never referred to as such) from the future who had become a dictator (a vaguely benevolent dictator, but a dictator) and a seriously frelled up timeline created by trying to defeat him. (They do, it ends happily with an averted timeline and no evil Doug)

So they are perhaps best seen as neutral ground... and Dani has the idea to do something which her team does better than any other current team of X-Men... she and the team throw a party and invite their friends and allies... which is a fairly impressive crowd!

Blink, most of the faculty from the Jean Grey School, Face (One of the Thirteen Limbo Mutants left over from the original Inferno story), The Warriors Three (and Helpuppy makes a walk on appearance), Doctor Strange (Who they know from the Dark Cypher arc), Gus Grimm (the ACTUAL human therapist Dani suggested Utopia retain), Mrs Livitz who lives downstairs (Who mentions what would probably have been a future subplot about wanting to set Dani up with her nephew, who is visiting from Latveria (but who we never meet)), the Disir drop in, as does Mephisto looking for one final chance with Amara (Who declines and suggests if he doesn't leave the Disir would probably not be happy). And then this rather nice little moment happens.

Sadly Rahne is still notable by her absence, but I think we were all resigned to her never being allowed out of X-Factor.





And there we have it in a nutshell, for all their posturing and arguing neither of the X-Men teams have achieved what the New Mutants treat as day to day living, they have mutants, non-mutants, aliens and alternate dimensional counterparts and that's just on the team itself. They have allies who are Asgardians, humans, sorcerors, all playing their parts and basically just being... people. It's nice to see that being acknowledged.

Warlock's problem there is yet another loose end, from warlocks reintroduction to the MU in the Nova series (In the middle of one of the space cosmic event thingies... Tyro, another Technarch who Warlock showed how to live free, but who, following other cosmic event thingies is having issues with his siredam (The Technarch "parent" that all Technarchs have and which tries to kill them as soon as they are "born")

And then we see why crashing this party is perhaps the WORST idea anyone could ever have... and I make no apology for making this double page splash my other two pages...



It ends happily, with another convenient use of Doug's awareness of transmode virus code. And the team basically reunite to share the fact they are still buds who will stay together to keep doing what they have been doing! "Here's to business... never unfinished!"

And so ends the New Mutants... we know Sam and Bobby are heading to the Avengers, but the fate of the other members of the team is unknown, this at least still leaves them an active team which will presumably keep operating, just without a book.

And my assessment of this run of the title? Well, that's a really tough one to answer. Of course this is the run that brought back Doug Ramsey from the long dead off the back of the Necrosha event, and that was pretty cool. It made Dani Moonstar a badass despite her having no more mutant powers.

And yet there were always.. oddities.

  • Dani being a love-magnet for just about every humanoid male on the team; Sam, Doug AND Nate (Not that she's NOT worthy of it, it just seemed random).
  • Bobby and Amara getting together.
  • A subplot about Amara trying to get a job which went nowehere and fizzled out, when mutants in the workplace was a rich source of plot IMHO.
  • They lost Sam for no readily apparent reason (and as co-team leader he was a fairly pivotal character), so he could go to be in Wolverine and the X-Men, where I don't think they've done a single thing worth a damn with him.
  • The complete lack of Doug dealing with being back from the dead (again, it would have been fascinating to see this done, in something akin to an Astro City style approach) and the sometimes rather random expansion of his powers (Cookery is a language? No, it's really not)
  • The New Mutants STILL face the same problems as the Teen Titans did. They're old enough to be X-Men, as the third class of students Xavier recruited they are VERY experienced, more so than many of the X-Men men, and yet, they are never allowed to replace the X-Men, or only one at a time it would seem, and usually Sam.
Even so, and knowing that it's been rather divisively received amongst fans, I'll miss this title, it was the only X-Men related title I've bought in years (for fairly obvious reasons) and it dealt with things that no other title actually tried to deal with, like actually having a life as well as being a mutant and an affiliate of the X-Men.

 

Date: 2012-11-02 08:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
"And there we have it in a nutshell, for all their posturing and arguing neither of the X-Men teams have achieved what the New Mutants treat as day to day living, they have mutants, non-mutants, aliens and alternate dimensional counterparts and that's just on the team itself. They have allies who are Asgardians, humans, sorcerors, all playing their parts and basically just being... people. It's nice to see that being acknowledged."

See, that's the thing that's always bugged me about Scott calling Captain America out for ignoring mutants- the X-men preached human-mutant integration, but they never lived it, certainly not to the degree the Avengers did.

Date: 2012-11-02 09:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
*bites lip...*

everytime they tried they were blown up, or hung on crosses....

the Avengers have had HOW MANY mutants on a team? when they are part of the Avengers, most people are fine... Quicksilver and Beast, or Wanda walk on the streets alone and try to stop a fight? they are just Muties, again.... at least that is how it always seemed to me...

Date: 2012-11-02 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Well, let's see- the second major roster of Avengers was literally half mutants. They've also had Beast, Justice, Firestar, and Wolverine just off the top of my head. They've also had Asgardians, aliens of various kinds (I don't think they've ever intentionally had a Skrull, but they have had both Shi'ar and Kree members) and androids. (Oddly, that last is the only one I recall actually causing a public outcry, where suicide bombers tried to prevent... I think Wanda's giving birth to her children with Vision:? It's been a while since I read that story.) Quicksilver and Wanda mostly stuck together, as I recall, but I definitely remember Beast wandering around on his own and having the occasional solo adventure.

And yeah, I guess it's not so much a criticism of the actual teams as of the writers- consistently, anti-mutant feeling is a lot greater in X-men books than anywhere else, even when mutant characters are depicted in those other books.

Date: 2012-11-03 09:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] coldfury
I get what you're saying, but how much of that can we lay on the Avengers, and how much can we point to the more meta conditions like editorial fiefdoms?

It's like blaming Spider-Man for not showing up every time the X-Men or the Avengers had a fight in New York. We hand wave it away saying he was busy, but how often is it an all out fight for the survival of the city? And he was 'busy'? If you shine too much light on it, it either falls apart or it makes it look like Spider-Man was ignoring his 'great responsibility.

Same too goes for the Avengers and not dealing with the mutant issue all the time. Sure, the Avengers if they actually existed would most likely be very strong proponents of mutant rights, but for story/meta/editorial reasons they can't. Do we then accuse the Avengers of being racists?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I really don't know the answer here. I do think they dealt with it more when Vision & Scarlet Witch were mainstays on the team, which means for the past 8 years or so it hasn't been brought up as much, which makes the team look worse given all the suffering the X-men have been through lately.
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Date: 2012-11-02 09:28 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Except they did, unless you don't count the New Mutants as X-Men.

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Date: 2012-11-02 09:22 pm (UTC)
sherkahn: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sherkahn
Sadness. No KidLoki to join the party.

As if they knew already...

Date: 2012-11-02 10:02 pm (UTC)
darth_cloudo: (KidLoki)
From: [personal profile] darth_cloudo
:(
Edited Date: 2012-11-02 10:03 pm (UTC)

Date: 2012-11-05 02:04 am (UTC)
ladydouji: (douji)
From: [personal profile] ladydouji
Maybe he was invited but wasn't allowed to come, or refused to?

*don't mind me, I'm just over here in the corner refusing to believe kid!loki is truly gone.

Date: 2012-11-02 09:27 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salinea
I read this run yesterday and Wells the day before and yeah, it has a lot of good things; but there were a lot of oddities and missed opportunities. Wells did better by virtue of having a much more focussed story and a more firm grasp of characterisation, whereas DnA were a bit hazy at times. I did love Dani's badassery, Magik's plotting, Karma being a badass too; Amara's date with the devil, and Cypher's power expansion despite some of the not very accurate handling of it. I hope we'll see the ones who aren't in Avengers somewhere (well I expect Karma will continue being great in Astonishing and Magik featuring in the just announced Uncanny).

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Date: 2012-11-02 09:46 pm (UTC)
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and Magik featuring in the just announced Uncanny

WANT. Is that just speculation, or did I miss an announcement somewhere?

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Date: 2012-11-02 09:39 pm (UTC)
shadowpsykie: (ask the questions)
From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
so has Danni retained her Valkrie powers?

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Date: 2012-11-02 10:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] auggie18
I'm also a bit in the mixed feelings camp on this run of the New Mutants, though those feelings are mostly positive. I loved how badass Dani got and what they did with Nate. (Granted, I didn't read much of his old run.) Their romance didn't even feel that out of left field for me because she has some similarities to Nate's old love interest, Threnody. Doug's crush seemed a little off, though. The Inferno arc was amazing and Illyana's string pulling made the earlier stories in this run flow together really well.

I felt like later stories in this run worked better when it was just the team hanging out. Move in day, Amara's job application and date, the party in Mandipoor. (One of my favorite comics ever.) The only place I didn't like was when it came to traditional superhero stuff and even then it wasn't bad, just a little dull.

Still, the run was consistently awesome for a really long time and even gave me two of my favorite Hope scenes. (The one in which she and Nate work out their issues in the Danger Room and the one in which she challenges Dani's right to be on the island and Dani kicks her ass.)

I'm sorry to see it go.

Date: 2012-11-02 10:02 pm (UTC)
darth_cloudo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] darth_cloudo
Sif? Sif, what are you doing. You are not the Swan Queen. Sif.

Date: 2012-11-02 11:49 pm (UTC)
randyripoff: (Default)
From: [personal profile] randyripoff
I enjoyed the run a lot despite a lot of it's uneven quality, and I'm sorry to see it go.

Date: 2012-11-02 11:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] terrykun
Hel-puppy is out playing on the lawn! :D When did it's presence get revealed to the rest of the team?

...or is that supposed to be Rahne?

Date: 2012-11-03 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] daningram.insanejournal.com
Did they ever say why they didn't even breathe a word about Rahne?

*grumble*

Date: 2012-11-03 09:21 pm (UTC)
autumn_lily: sick (hurrrr)
From: [personal profile] autumn_lily
...and the sometimes rather random expansion of his powers (Cookery is a language? No, it's really not)

Well, according to the impressive pelvic thrust he's exhibiting in the splash page, Doug is apparently going to be fighting using the 'language of love'. Which I think is legit right?

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Date: 2012-11-05 12:42 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sianmink
man first panel I was thinking, "How did they get Oliver Queen to show up?" but then I realized it was just Fandal. Poor Fandal.

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