AVX Consequences #5

[flint_marko]

Magneto, Magik, and Danger break Scott out of jail, then Danger leaves to do her own thing.

The Avengers arrive too late to stop them.

Comments

[shadowpsykie]

I have to admit... i REALLY like the turn of events...

AvX was still utter unorganized crap... but this.... this is pretty solid story telling.

also i am with Magneto... take out the reporter (okay don't kill him but beat him up a bit maybe)... anyone who says that "CONCENTRATION CAMPS" is a viable option... ever... needs to not be able to say that anymore....

[darkknightjrk]

Nah, Cyclops was in the right to let him be--contrary to what our governments believe, violence does not cause people to change their minds.

[fredneil.livejournal.com]

I'm thinking that's intentional. The "liberal fantasy" suggests that they're watching the Marvel equivalent of Fox News/Rush Limbaugh and the person reacting to it is the one person here who has spent time in an actual concentration camp.

[shadowpsykie]

also i have to say love the art, it's like Good John Romita Jr. art

[darkknightjrk]

It mostly looks great--some of the faces in a few panels get a little durpy, though, such as Logan's "Scott is gone" panel. At least, IMO.

[spacebetween]

I didn't even realise it was his art. It's been so long since I have seen decent artwork from him.

[silverhammerman]

So Cyclops and Wolverine have essentially switched roles? I'm surprisingly okay with this, and it's good to see that Marvel isn't actually branding Cyclops as a villain now.
I'm also really digging this art, I'd love to see this artist do an ongoing or something.

That news anchor irks me though, I was expecting that given the Avengers involvement we'd be seeing mutant prejudice on the decline, but apparently not. And seriously now, who would suggest concentration camps and not expect to have their career spontaneously disappear? At least use a euphemism, "residential facilities" "monitoring stations" something that doesn't draw direct comparisons between yourself and Nazis.

[shadowpsykie]

That news anchor irks me though, I was expecting that given the Avengers involvement we'd be seeing mutant prejudice on the decline, but apparently not. And seriously now, who would suggest concentration camps and not expect to have their career spontaneously disappear? At least use a euphemism, "residential facilities" "monitoring stations" something that doesn't draw direct comparisons between yourself and Nazis.
I KNOW huh!

[q99]

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So Cyclops and Wolverine have essentially switched roles? I'm surprisingly okay with this, and it's good to see that Marvel isn't actually branding Cyclops as a villain now.-

Yea, I find it pretty fitting. Goes with both of their character arcs.

[darkknightjrk]

"I was expecting that given the Avengers involvement we'd be seeing mutant prejudice on the decline, but apparently not."

It should be remembered that this is taking place either before/during Uncanny Avengers #1--so it's likely that the regular public doesn't know this team exists yet.

[spacebetween]

Well the Avengers don't have any control over the media.

[q99]

Magik, Magneto, and Danger? Yikes, what prison couldn't they break someone out of?

[bruinsfan]

Not many on earth, that's for sure. Dr. Strange might be able to exile Scott to some dimension that stepping disks can't access, but that raises a bunch of other logistical problems.

[trobadora]

"Concentration camps" is unnecessarily heavy-handed, and the art is something awful, but I loved that ending.

The letter, though - um, they're really setting Cyke and Wolverine up in a Magneto/Xavier kind of position towards each other, aren't they? (Excuse me while I try to get that image out of my head again ...)

[zechs80]

Too late it's in your head. Let the images of the two in various positions run rampant!!!

[jmacq1]

I have to confess, I honestly kind of love how Magneto has remained loyal to Scott and despite what most would expect doesn't seem to be playing any sort of long con or have any intent of stabbing him in the back.

Also interesting that Marvel seems to kind of be having its' cake and eating it too: You have one team of X-Folks that looks to be marginally "acceptable" to the public (the Jean Grey School) and a separate "outlaw" group (Scott's team). Not that this isn't a dynamic that hasn't existed before within the X-titles, but it's still interesting to see.

Also interesting to see that Marvel's doing a good job of having Scott stay true to his character evolution over the past several years. Love it or hate it, at least it's been consistent.

[crabby_lioness]

Anyone who thinks an American news anchor wouldn't advocate concentration camps on the air needs to head over to Right Wing Watch, where it happens all the time.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/

Loved Scott's and Logan's arcs in this story.

[atom_punk]

Any indication as to what Scott and this group is planning on "saving the world" from?

We've got more mutants being born/made (ignoring the morality of that action and the fact that those new mutants may not like being given acidic sweat or tentacles growing from their faces) so that big goal of the AvX event is for all intents and purposes taken care of. So what's Scott's next move here? What is he breaking out of prison to do?

I'm somewhat irked by this turn of events because I've never thought of the X-men as a straight-up "save the world" type of group. I've always remembered them as the classic civil rights and equality analogue and more, I dunno "street-level" in terms of what they do.

[angelophile]

See, for me, getting out there and trying to save the world, and humans despite themselves, is a major part of the appeal of the X-men. I enjoy the layers too, but I enjoy the X-men least when they're merely reacting to threats to themselves or to mutantkind only. Proactive is more interesting to me than reactive or isolated.

[drmcninja]

As surprisingly awesome as this actually is, with Scott and Logan changing places, the thing I noticed:

Steve is out of his Scale-Mail! As iconic as it was, I hated that costume so much. It really just kept looking more and more out of date, especially with those boots.

[flint_marko]

I think he still has it; it's just not showing up with this artist.

[starwolf_oakley]

During A vs. X, I wondered if Scott was thinking "This time, *I'm* going to be the rebellious bad boy who goes against the system and does what he wants and won't play by your rules!"

Looks like I was right. He just did it later than I expected.

[brooms]

lmao magneto didn't really give a fuck that charles died, did he?

no one did, on a personal level, it seems. what a ~tragic, meaningful death.

[angelophile]

Yes, even Scott's reaction appears to be "So, I killed him, but get over it."

[auggie18]

Okay, just read this issue and gotta say: really like this direction on Scott. It's dark, a bit twisted, but damn does it work.

[md84]

Hopefully Scott will be a good influence on the rest of his team. They really, really need it.

[ablackraptor]

I'm a bit fifty/fifty on this turn of events. My biggest problem is that it has the same issue I've had with most of the recent X-books and stories, in that it feels more like a dark and edgy AU/bad future story rather than a present set-story, and there's nothing related to the classic versions currently going (except for WATXM, but I personally dislike everything about the book's set-up, though I admit that I'm being unreasonable there). I'd like to see First Class get continued, since I enjoyed that, but alas, its not going to happen.

On the upside, I can see them being like some kind of extreme version of how they used to be, and it could be set up as a slightly more well thought out X-Force. I'd like to see them, eventually, return Scott to being at least respected by the hero community, but this is an allright step for now.

On the Scott/Logan-Xavier/Magneto comparions, I agree with what people are saying here, Logan's being written far too tool-ish for that to work. The main problem is that they're trying to turn Logan into something he's not. Logan is the guy who does what he does and doesn't give a crap, but has standards. He's not the self righteous 'I have standards so no matter what else I do I'm a better person then you are even if my goals aren't nearly as great as I think they are, also I'm a shit leader' guy they've had him as recently. Logan always worked better, for me, as either the arrogant subordinate who's tolerated out of respect when on a team, or as a solo figure. He's not a leader. Everything about him makes him a terrible choice for leadership. He can work as a mentor to a spunky young teen within reason precisely because he's not a good teacher, but they bring out a softer side to him. They keep trying to sell him like this, but it doesn't work.
Bendis may not be a perfect writer, but he's proven a few times to be the only guy in Marvel's top brass who actually understands Logan.

[maxisanacorn]

Soooo is Scott forming like a new Brotherhood basically?