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Here is three (I cut the preview) pages from Marvel's "Superior" (or Inferior) preview:

Do the citizens and Superheroes will think Spidey is Inferior after the mess he'll done?

suggested tag: title: superior spider-man

Date: 2012-12-27 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
His line at the end there was pretty good--something that both Peter and Otto would think, honestly.

Date: 2012-12-27 02:34 am (UTC)
bewareofgeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
Except the (unposted) line before it is "Of all the unmitigated gall!"

That's pure Otto.

Date: 2012-12-27 07:40 am (UTC)
cainofdreaming: cain's mark (pic#364829)
From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
The whole lineup is more like Sinister Syndicate, to tell the truth, so Otto is kinda justified.

Who's the new Beetle, by the way?

Date: 2012-12-28 02:31 am (UTC)
glprime: (Default)
From: [personal profile] glprime
Have to agree, actually. But that's been one of my biggest gripes: how can Otto hope to match Peter's wit enough of the time to not arouse suspicion?

Guess we'll see what happens.

Date: 2012-12-28 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I'm now picturing Otto creating some sort of mad-science-y joke machine that at soon as he turns it on, leaps to try and choke him out. :D

Date: 2012-12-29 01:12 am (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
It would be kind of amazing if Ock turned out to just be painfully unfunny and terrible at telling jokes. Like everytime he opens his mouth to quip he just says something ridiculously awkward and really puts his foot in his own mouth.

Date: 2012-12-27 02:15 am (UTC)
thanekos: Yoshikage Kira as Kosaku Kawajiri, after the second arrow. (Default)
From: [personal profile] thanekos
I'll say one thing, the "wheelman" does not disappoint.

(It's the one who has the skills for it, using the gimmick of the guy who literally was it. Brilliant.)

Date: 2012-12-27 03:28 am (UTC)
an_idol_mind: (Default)
From: [personal profile] an_idol_mind
I like this idea in concept. I'm typically a big fan of seeing the villains try to be heroic.

Half of me still wants to see this whole body swap cause some fallout with Mephisto, though. I know Marvel is trying to pretend that One More Day didn't happen and the current status quo was always there, but you can't do something that big and then just refuse to address it down the line.

Date: 2012-12-27 07:22 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
But they're Marvel, The House of Ideas! They'll do whatever they please, and you'll damn well like it, or you'll get no money back!

Date: 2012-12-27 07:36 am (UTC)
cyberghostface: (Spidey & MJ)
From: [personal profile] cyberghostface
I'm not sure why it would. Mephisto kept up his end of the bargain and Peter dying (or having his mind swapped) doesn't alter any end of his agreement.

I think OMIT was the last word on Mephisto's deal unless they decide to return to the original status quo which I don't think will happen under the current direction.

Date: 2012-12-27 09:39 am (UTC)
tammy_moore: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tammy_moore
I suppose the MJ rider of not interfering with Parker anymore (that was a thing, right? My dislike of the storyline hasn't led to making bits up) might be null and void. This isn't Parker, essentially, after all?

Or, when it all goes inevitably tits up, someone tries to make a deal with the big M and gets told a: sorry, can't interfere due to a previous Parker deal (not a good PR move for a hero) and b: Parker isn't dead, just really, really, really brainwashed.

Date: 2012-12-28 05:51 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
If this ends with Peter punching out Mephisto in his quest to get his body back, I'll take back almost all the bad things I said about Amazing #700.

Date: 2012-12-27 04:27 am (UTC)
zabilac: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zabilac
I actually kind've like this concept.

Date: 2012-12-27 05:06 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
I kind of agree with Otto/Peter/Whoever, these guys aren't really sinister six material (Aside from maybe Shocker)

I mean I don't even know who the living brain is.

Date: 2012-12-27 05:19 am (UTC)
azure_flame_god003: (Default)
From: [personal profile] azure_flame_god003
It's from WAY back in Amazing Spider Man #8.

Date: 2012-12-27 11:37 am (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Okay, why would they give a supercomputer arms and legs?

Seriously, what practical purpose does that have? Its like putting wheels and an engine on an X box.

Date: 2012-12-27 08:21 pm (UTC)
chrisdv: (Default)
From: [personal profile] chrisdv
Excuse me, I have... things... to prepare.

Date: 2012-12-28 05:52 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Well, what if you wanted to take your supercomputer with you places?

Date: 2012-12-28 07:57 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Then I'd buy a lap top.

Hell, that character was made in the 60's, my kindle fire probably has more processing power than that thing.

Date: 2012-12-28 08:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
...What can I say? The guy who made the supercomputer was lonely and wanted a friend, I guess.

Date: 2012-12-27 06:22 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
Hahahaha, he's standing over the grave of the man he killed by transferring his mind into a terminally ill body, and he's there to say goodbye to his old life. What an incredible egomaniac.

Date: 2012-12-27 10:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I think it's meant to be the opposite. He's standing over his 'own' grave, so to speak, and the dialogue basically states that Otto thinks everything up to the point of killing Peter was one massive failure. That hardly reeks of egomania to me.

Date: 2012-12-27 11:00 am (UTC)
sadoeuphemist: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
It's egomania because he killed a man and is standing over his grave and he's still somehow making it all about himself. Perhaps egocentric would have been the better term?

Date: 2012-12-27 11:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Well, technically it's still Otto's grave. He's saying goodbye to himself, what he used to be - a complete failure. I don't think Peter factors into it much because it's Otto. But again, it has to be primarily about himself, I think. He's certainly egocentric, but it at least makes sense here, although I'm not looking forward at all to the inevitable revelation that it 'isn't the Spider that makes him great, but the Man' or something equally nonsensical, because Marvel will never allow this to be a long-term thing.

Date: 2012-12-28 02:31 am (UTC)
thedropout: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thedropout
That's the poster's point though - 'technically' it's Otto's grave, but in reality there is supposedly a corpse of another person inside, that Otto caused to die. So standing on "Peter's" corpse while saying goodbye to your old life is a bit tactless, to say the least, and it certainly displays a blinding obliviousness to the lives of others.

Date: 2012-12-28 03:37 am (UTC)
hazmat: (Ock Cuddles)
From: [personal profile] hazmat
I would say that Otto Octavius SPECIALIZES in blinding obliviousness to the lives of others. XD

Date: 2012-12-28 02:51 pm (UTC)
thedropout: (Default)
From: [personal profile] thedropout
"It's kind of my thing."

Date: 2012-12-27 03:32 pm (UTC)
hazmat: (Ock Scheming)
From: [personal profile] hazmat
Octavius has always been incredibly egotistical, massively narcissistic, and -- deep within those dark interior places that one tends not to consciously acknowledge or even be aware of -- a huge wobbling pile of insecurity. It's interesting to see, in Avenging Spider-Man 15.1 (seriously an excellent read; I can't recommend it highly enough after one has read ASM 700), how quickly Otto's attitude turns to self-hatred when he's forced to fight his own lair's defenses AND listen to a recorded version of HIMSELF ranting away.

The ego, though, is still there. He may make grandiose statements to himself about how "Doctor Octopus" is dead and "Otto Octavius" was a failure, but he's STILL thinking of himself as the "Superior" Spider-Man, and his reaction to that group of C-listers (okay, I might allow Shocker as a B-lister) calling themselves the Sinister Six, which was always really one of Doctor Octopus's things, strikes me as being one of outrage. (This is more clear in the preview page that wasn't posted.)

No matter how much he might tell himself that Doctor Octopus is dead and gone, I really don't think he's put all that behind him. And if anything causes this redemption arc to crash and burn (as I imagine it will, eventually, as much as I would adore a new status quo of Doc Ock as asshole hero, even if not necessarily as Spidey-hero 'cause we all know Peter'll be back at some point), it will be Otto's fundamental inability to not be anything BUT Otto Octavius.

Date: 2012-12-27 03:55 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Absolutely. I just don't personally think it's designed as an insult to Peter that he's effectively saying goodbye to his old self over what is effectively his own grave. If there was some manner of insult intended, I think that would be a bit clearer.

But yeah, I absolutely know already this is probably going to end with Otto failing to understand the correct mindset needed for a Spider-Man. In a way, he's a lot like Peter - from what I recall he basically had his own accident whilst in a daze following his mother's death, which has shades of Uncle Ben going on - but he seems like one who never really would or possibly could get the notion of 'power and responsibility'. Again, as you point out, he's Doctor Octopus. Always will be, and this switch to a new body isn't going to change that at all.

Date: 2012-12-27 07:42 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
We see Otto building the eyes for it at least during Avenging #15.1.

Date: 2012-12-27 12:47 pm (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Did Otto!Spidey change the mask lenses into thin goggle-type things? If so, nice tou

Date: 2012-12-27 12:48 pm (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
*uh, nice touch.

Date: 2012-12-27 09:10 am (UTC)
dorksidefiker: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dorksidefiker
Concept's interesting, but I'm not gonna get invested.

Date: 2012-12-27 03:37 pm (UTC)
hazmat: (Ock Cuddles)
From: [personal profile] hazmat
Hey, I'm a huge Doc Ock fangirl, but I have a definite "enjoy it while it lasts" attitude. I would not be surprised to learn that Dan Slott already has an idea of how the status quo will return; he seems like the kind of guy who plans long-term.

By the way, I am amused by your icon. :)

Date: 2012-12-28 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Considering that what brought this on was established about 100 issues ago, I wouldn't be surprised if he had something in mind, or at least can work it around that it creates the illusion that he did. The big question is if he'll be able to properly execute those plans...

Date: 2012-12-27 03:44 pm (UTC)
biod: Spider-Man summons the spiders, because he is Spider-Man (Marvel Adventures Spider-Man)
From: [personal profile] biod
I have my reservations and I dislike how we got here, but I'm interested to see where they take this.

Date: 2012-12-27 09:25 pm (UTC)
silverzeo: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverzeo
... you know who would have made a better replacement for Peter? How about Harry Osborn, his best friend. Think how much of a mental toll it would set for Normy...

Date: 2012-12-28 06:14 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
I thought that was the direction they were going to go when they cut back to him during the Danger Zone arc.

Date: 2012-12-28 06:17 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
That's what I was hoping for, especially when we saw him getting called by Spidey at the end of that one issue. The conflict with Norman, that of Harry essentially further abandoning his father's legacy and embracing that of Norman's greatest enemy could actually be charged enough to bring Norman back into Spidey's orbit and finally pull him out of his weird faux-Lex-Luthor characterization.
Plus, as a single father of two who's dealt with mental illness and drug use he could be a very interesting character. Not to mention he's got a romantic history with MJ, so putting them together for a while wouldn't be grotesque and creepy.
It might take a little doing to give him the correct powers, but I would have been absolutely onboard for that story, but instead Marvel went with this Spider-Ock gimmick and I have absolutely no plans on following the series now.

Date: 2012-12-28 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] md84
I also doubt it's going to last for long. Dan Slott seems intent on Ock becoming a true hero, and I think that's what is going to end this. Heroic Ock won't be able to live with himself for doing this to Peter, and he'll pull out all the stops to set things right.

Date: 2012-12-28 06:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
That's what I'm hoping is the case--if Ock's learned about responsibility, then he's gonna have to realize that he's going to have to find a way to bring Peter back...and if he grows himself a younger clone body of his former self to live in afterwards, then it'll all work out for everyone.

Date: 2012-12-29 12:19 am (UTC)
jetblack927: (Default)
From: [personal profile] jetblack927
What's with the 3 carrot-tops being thrown on the grave?

Date: 2012-12-29 01:20 am (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I think they're supposed to be falling roses.
But what's with the grave being so dilapidated? I know "Doc Ock" would probably get buried in a prison yard or a pauper's grave or something, but that doesn't explain why he'd have a beat up, stained old tombstone. Unless it's the same tombstone he had that time Kaine killed him, which would make me laugh out loud.

Date: 2012-12-30 09:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] chrisdv
People defacing the tombstone?


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