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Date: 2013-01-09 10:54 am (UTC)Almost enough to make me forget how bad Legend of Korra was.
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Date: 2013-01-09 11:31 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-01-09 11:40 am (UTC)If they'd had more episodes in the first season in addition to a confirmed season two before they started, events and character development might have moved a bit more organically, but as such a lot of people seem to dislike it because it moves at an accelerated pace.
And then there are people who dislike how the story went, resolutions, character actions within the story etc. but they're down to personal preferences so I can't really talk for them.
Like people didn't like the idea that Korra was a flawed person, and not a fairly cleancut person the same way that Aang was. The fact that she makes bad decisions, feels fear and gets depressed are seen by some people as things that make her a bad character as opposed to things that make her more of an actual person and not a two dimensional character within their own show.
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Date: 2013-01-09 07:42 pm (UTC)Considering the Avatar history of amazing female characters like Toph, Katara, and even Azula, Korra (who has years of experience on all three) is a mess.
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Date: 2013-01-09 07:52 pm (UTC)Saying she does NOTHING positive for herself or the plot unless her pseudoboyfriend is in peril is kind of a disservice to her as a character.
Korra is older than the previous Avatar cast and grew up in an entirely different environment (seperated from her parents when she was like four, constantly trained in bending and not allowed to interact with anyone her own age until she ran off to Republic City) so her having a different set of issues and personality quirks is natural compared to, say, Katara etc.
Like people thought that her being scared or depressed at the possiblity of someone taking her bending away was stupid, when that was the thing she was brought up to think was what made her special. So she comes off as arrogant because she's the Avatar and has known she was for most of her life (previous Avatars avoided this by not being told until they were 16), and becomes possibly sucidial when it seems that that's taken from her, due to her defining herself through her role so much.
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Date: 2013-01-09 08:09 pm (UTC)Bottom line, Korra comes off as unlikeable and weak for most of the series. Escaping from Tarrlok's box is pretty much the only time she overcomes that. She spends the rest of her screen time crippled with self-doubt and emotional turmoil. It's fine to *have* that, but you have to balance it out with the hero being heroic and they didn't do that. Frickin' Meelo got a better Big Damn Hero moment than Korra ever did. And lets not even get into the love triangle/quadrangle/triangle again. Mako was such a cipher any girl being interested in him made no damn sense, so the amount of time dedicated to Korra struggling with her feelings for Mako was even more wasted.
Really though a weak and unlikable protagonist is just scratching the surface of the problems with Legend of Korra. There's the complete *bullshit* of Amon, the fully incompetent Bolin & Mako, characters constantly grabbing the idiot ball (Lin's the worst offender, Tenzin's probably second) the central conflict being given no actual support (the Equalist movement held no water because they never showed any real 'Bender Oppression' or that non-benders had worse lives than benders in any way) Iroh 2 being blatant fanservice, Deus Ex Machina after Deus Ex Machina in the last few episodes... I could continue but it makes me sad to think about it.
I tried to rationalize it as "being rushed" but the more I thought about the show as a whole the more disappointed and angry I got. And when I found out the Ehaszes weren't involved everything kinda fell into place. Legend of Korra just doesn't have good writers.
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Date: 2013-01-09 08:14 pm (UTC)Though Mako does have a personality, he's just an asshole.
Asami was cool though, I liked Tenzin, and Lin was more competant than she wasn't.
And the HORRIBLY rushed execution of Amon's backstory was kind of imcompetant. Someone literally telling us his backstory and motivation in a five minute monologue? Serious?
Amon's backstory would have been better if they had hinted throughout the series instead just of outright just tells us it in one chunk.
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Date: 2013-01-09 08:40 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-01-09 10:37 pm (UTC)My biggest problem with Lin (and the metalbender police as whole) was that for most of the series they seemed to completely forget THEY'RE FREAKING EARTHBENDERS. Lin constantly got electrocuted unconscious via her own cables when she could have avoided it just by throwing rocks. When your villains are only winning because your heroes are terminally dumb, you are not writing a good story.
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Date: 2013-01-10 08:17 pm (UTC)Eh, not true. What about the mafia guys from the first episode? And they mention that benders are the ones, who caused all wars ect. Yes, it's not rational, but that's the point. People, when facing a problem, often oversimplify the thing and blame it on whole group of people, instead of individuals actually responsible. An I would remind you, that the city is ruled by council made of benders and benders only, just like the police.
What's wrong with Tenzin? And how is Katara amazing character? Atleast Korra realized, when she did mistakes and apologized. Katara was just an asshole.
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Date: 2013-01-10 10:22 pm (UTC)Such as Mako being able to walk into a job at the power plant just off the street, despite the high levels of unemployment and homelessness.
In addition, there's also the implication that at least a portion of the nonbender population is kind of ghettoised, as shown by Tarrlok's decision to cut the power to their section of town (at night, in the middle of winter) just so he could have anyone who complained arrested for a) breaking kerfew while being a nonbender, and b) classifying them as an "Equalist rally" in the process.
And Katara was a great character in a lot of respects, but she was kind of a terrible person in a lot of ways too. Such as her criticising her friends for doing something, only to turn around and do the exact same thing while justifying it as being for the common good.
Plus there's her mean streak, as demonstrated by her mocking Toph's blindness ("It's such a beautiful night tonight, shame you can't see it TOPH!") or telling her brother that he didn't love their mother as much as her because he didn't want to hunt down and murder her killer like she wanted to.
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Date: 2013-01-11 11:55 am (UTC)And I knew the bender gang from the beginning would be brought up. I'd like to point out that it's the only example of "bender oppression" *before* the Equalists start making terrorist attacks.
The Equalists lacked that essential grain of truth at the center of their crazy to make them believable. That's where you get a good extremist group from. A real concern that's been blown insanely out of proportion. I mean, even the Tea Party has that, and they're mostly a bunch of racist nutjobs.
As for Katara, I didn't say she was a (morally) good person. I mean she was, the whole Gaang was really. I said she was a good character, and a strong female one specifically. Good characters can be completely without morals -- and so can strong female ones for that matter. See: Azula. Korra is not a strong female character, or a good character. She's a lump who was only inspired to save the day when the boy she liked was in danger.
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Date: 2013-01-11 12:04 pm (UTC)There's also the gangs that kille both Mako's parents and Asami's mother as examples of the bender gangs preying on nonbenders.
And Korra wasn't inspired to save the day because her boyfriend was in danger, she lashed out at someone who was going to attack her friend and who'd already directly or indirectly killed hundreds of people and it just happened to do something.
Hell, if it had been Tenzin or Bolin or whoever she might still have had the same reaction. Just because she had romantic feelings for the guy doesn't mean that ALL of her actions where driven by said feelings.
Look, it's unlikely that I'm going to change your mind of this, but it kind of seems that you're looking for bad things to the extent that that's all you see in the show.
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Date: 2013-01-12 05:17 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-01-12 02:29 pm (UTC)One of the things that are really starting to bother me about Avatar universe is evil dad-nice mom thing. It's starting to get really damn sexist.
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Date: 2013-01-09 07:39 pm (UTC)Aaron and Elizabeth Ehasz, who were Producer/Head Writer and Writer respectively on AtLA aren't involved in LoK, and it that seems to why the writing is suffering.
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Date: 2013-01-09 07:52 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2013-01-09 07:54 pm (UTC)Hopefully Nick's decision to allow there to be four or five(?) seasons of Korra will allow the creative staff to have more breathing room.
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Date: 2013-01-11 11:57 am (UTC)And Tarlokk blowing both himself and Amon up, well, it was nice to see him finally making the right choice. And surprising that Nickelodeon would air something so incredibly dark.
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Date: 2013-01-12 03:40 pm (UTC)I say those are huge assets to his character. A big fat detriment to the rest of the story, sure...