Wolverine is a Dick

[auggie18]

Trigger warning: There's some questionable material regarding rape in here.


So, I've been having some issues with Wolverine recently. Issues along the lines of "why am I supposed to like this guy, he's a massive dick."

So, I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Let's get the AvX example out of the way, with Wolverine trying to kill a teenage girl.



Okay, but she's running on Phoenix power. That's dangerous stuff. Remember what he did to Rachel Summers?




"That isn't what X-men do, Rachel. That's why I'm totally gonna murder the hell out Selene a few years from now."

And speaking of Rachel, here's a scene in which a HYDRA-revived Wolverine considers raping her.



Dude. No. Seriously.

I'm honestly not sure which narration box is supposed to Wolverine's. So there's that. It's probably the greenish yellow one and not the yellowish green one. Maybe both of them?

Thankfully, Rachel taps into Reed Richards' brain, deconstructs the bomb, and TK-blasts the hell out of Wolverine. Using HYDRA tech, he escapes and does this:




Aaaaand that all the "mind-controlled Wolverine kills people" stuff I'm gonna post because there's so much none mind-controlled Wolverine stuff to post!



Rachel, you have so many reasons to dislike this guy. Also, Wolverine, did you forget that you were tracking Hope to kill her right before this?



Ah, Katie'll be fine. Wolverine usually waits until they're teenagers to kill them. Right, Wiccan?



Yep, totally fair to kill a kid for something he might do in the future. Keep that in mind for scan after the next one, though this is worse because there's no proof that Billy'll ever kill anybody.

And, hey, heads up, Legion!



Wow, Wolverine. That's...a lot of hypocrisy right there.

And, of course, Wolverine totally not looking at the big picture.



Pretty sure Cyclops has had a fairly big role in a lot of universe saving adventures. Murdering him before he could do that might be a bad thing. Plus, according to Reed Richards, if you kill him , all that will do is make his universe an alternate past. So you'd murdering a kid for something he'd never even do.

Also, this.



So, were Wolverine's powers weakened before this or something? Because he could tell that X-23 was related to him by smell alone. The fact that he was murdering his kids shouldn't be a surprise.



Yeah, 'cause you never slept with anyone evil. (And that was an alternate universe She-Hulk, thank you very much.)



Oh Wolverine, you lovable scamp.



This makes the fact that he hit on her after Peter "died" just that much creepier. (During the whole The Other storyline.)


Despite the contents of this post, I don't hate Wolverine. I like him when he is being well written. But when you constantly have three books going and are on every team on the face of the planet, you're gonna be hit that much more frequently by bad writing.

Also, morality speeches don't really work coming from him. Feel free to share your own favorite dickish Wolverine moments, I'm sure I missed a lot.

Comments

[salinea]

Wolverine usually waits until they're teenagers to kill them.
Yeah, when they're children, he only leads a killing squad to go and kill them, so when Fantomex does actually kill them it was Wolverine doing it ~personally~

There are also other issues you missed on Logan as the wonderful father figure that he is, like that time he told Laura her life was worth nothing in comparison to Rahne so Laura almost got killed.

[drmcninja]

That scene where Wade finally calls him out on his hypocrisy afterwards is still one of my all-time favorite bits in the MU.

[coldfury]

I have no love for Wolverine, but I swear I think I remember Wolverine hitting on MJ to give her someone to channel her anger at.

Aside from that though, I agree that Wolverine is all over the map, and gets by without any consequence due to his popularity. Any other Avenger going kill crazy on a Young Avenger, and they'd be drummed out instantly. Wolverine? Ehh.. what're you going to do?

When he's written well, he's a good character. Another thing that bugs me is a side effect of the power creep affecting healing factor, he's always the first one hit, always taken down, and as a side effect he looks pretty incompetent.

[akodo_rokku]

Tony recruited Wolverine into the Avengers specifically FOR that purpose, so yeah. They can't really be surprised when he does the job he *knows* he's there for.

[azure_flame_god003]

"Night-night Frodo" Legacy has been great.

[silverhammerman]

I'm loving Legacy too so far, the first issue was a little slow, but it's really picked up. That book really seems to be flying under the radar right now, so I'm worried about how long it'll sell in the long run without any of big name characters in it.

[mrstatham]

Wolverine really is a piece of shit sometimes, but I hardly think it's fair to use Children's Crusade against him. Nearly EVERYONE is a piece of shit in that book save for, like, a handful of the Young Avengers.

[salinea]

I used to do disregard it but then he kept threatening to kill teens again and again so whatever.

[greenmask]

*cries at perils of being multi-written*

[greenmask]

That said, I'm on-board for the first Rachel scene. That's good character work.

[akodo_rokku]

In the Enemy of the State scans, I'm pretty sure both sets of boxes are Wolverine. Green boxes are the Hand brainwashing, yellow are his actual personality struggling against it.

It took virtual months (they plugged him into a VR scenario) to undo said brainwashing, if I recall.

[lucky_gamble]

Yeah, that's why i find it so hard to like the character. The massive amount of hypocrisy and popularity behind the character really make it hard for anyone with a memory to like him.

[benuben]

Propably the most "no hit" title I've ever seen here so far :-)

Seriously, Logan is the last person to be allowed being around kids.

So, that was the reveal behind that secret organisation? Well, that's just Logan. He's not pro-life, or pro-choice he's just pro-killing.

You know, I don't have a problem with Wolverine being kind of a scumbag. It's part of his character and when done right, part of his charm. However, now Marvel seems to want him as this heroic figure, but they still write him as total jackass, which means, that his character now seems to be: "Killing is wrong, if I'm not the one doing it."

[halloweenjack]

This. Wolverine is supposed to be a classic antihero, but he's been fucked with so much that who knows who or what he's supposed to be at any given moment.

[crinos]

You know, Peter kicking the living crap out of Wolverine never ceases to bring a big ol smile to my face.

[flint_marko]

"That isn't what X-men do, Rachel. That's why I'm totally gonna murder the hell out Selene a few years from now."

In Wolverine's defense there, he admitted there that he was wrong for stopping Rachel.



Still an asshole, though.

[salinea]

Useless if it's not addressed to Rachel.

[lonewolf23k]

That storyline about Wolverine being set up to kill his children kinda loses it's punch when it's obvious all of them were violent psychopaths, people he probably would've ended up killing anyway.

[jaybee3]

Those Rachel/Wolverine scans are terribly skeevy IMO. But under many writers so is he most of the time. I wonder how much of Wolverine's "present" popularity is due to Hugh Jackman and the movies (and not just the 80s-90s comics Logan where we're supposed to find him "cool" because he's darker and grittier than the rest of the X-Men - at the time)

[silverhammerman]

Boy do I hate that scan with young Cyclops, partly because Wolverine is being an absolutely raging asshole, and partly because for his threat to be valid it would have to completely contradict the way time travel works in the Marvel U.

[bj_l]

Everything about time travel in the MU contradicts itself. Have there even been a set of 'rules' for MU time travel? That has been adhered to?

[arrogantcur.livejournal.com]

Visiting Matsuo Tsurayaba on a yearly basis to cut off or cut out a part of his body each time.

Made me fucking sick, and it's completely at odds with his speech to Rachel about how there are some things heroes just don't stoop to.

[benuben]

Wait.. Isn't that pretty much the same thing Sabretooth used to be doing to Wolverine? Just show up once a year and beat the crap out of him?

[starwolf_oakley]

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2796526.html

This is another example;

[grazzt]

You forgot him threatening Molly Hayes, and the smackdown that followed.

[nefrekeptah]

Yeah, thing is? In a lot of these scans, Wolverine isn't being a dick. In both situations with Hope and Rachael, it's obvious he's not enjoying what he's doing, he feels he had no other choice. And in the other scene with Rachael (the one without the creepy rape parts) he's actually done a bit of soul searching and realized that he really can't kill Hope even if he wanted to. He didn't "forget," he changed his mind.

Yep, totally fair to kill a kid for something he might do in the future.

Which is not at all what he's saying. Magneto was talking about the Scarlet Witch, who everyone thought lost control of her powers and killed several people, and if the same thing happened to Wiccan, the Avengers would kill him before he could hurt anyone. And Logan agreed.

Also, Wolverine is kinda a dick, and always has been. Just because he's acting like one doesn't mean he's being badly written.

[salinea]

he's not enjoying what he's doing,
Boohoo. My heart weeps for him.

he's actually done a bit of soul searching and realized that he really can't kill Hope even if he wanted to. He didn't "forget," he changed his mind.
Except then he tried again.

[icon_uk]

Not exactly killing a kid, but making a very snide comment about a kid who DID die, intercepting a bullet to save the life of a team-mate (Okay, so he came back, but HE didn't know that, and it DID take 20+ years)

[sinisterlink]

Jeez, this place really loves Scott and hates Logan. Honestly, the past few months I've been kind of ignoring the whole thing but I've been pretty amused with how if anyone brings up bad crap Scott or other X-Men have done, it seems to get excused but if Logan is brought up, it mostly seems to be concluded that he's just a dick. And it's funny, cause no matter how much stuff gets brought up about him, I still prefer him more than Scott, especially with what Scott has been turning into over the last few years. So with that being said, I now will be in the minority and make excuses for Wolverine. :)

P.S. Yes, I know the original poster said she doesn't hate Wolverine and Cyclops wasn't really brought up in this post, but this has kind of been bubbling up in me over the last few months, so here it is, I guess.

1. The AvX scans. There was a prior issue of Uncanny where Hope had actually told Logan to kill her if the Phoenix took her over and she couldn't handle it. Flash forward to this scene, Logan walks into the room where Hope is on fire and surrounded by the bodies of her friends and teammates that have smoke rising off of them. Did Logan jump the gun at trying to kill her there? Yeah, but given the scene, I can see why he did.

2. I've never actually read these older issues, so I'm not gonna comment much, but from what is shown here, it seems like Wolverine is doing his normal thing of being alright with himself being a killer, but not wanting others to do the same. Also, was Rachel kind of going off the deep end here? Cause she's actually referring to herself as Phoenix and that's usually not the best sign. But yeah, Wolverine should have probably just let Selene die here. Although this is comics, so Selene would have probably popped up like a week later anyways. *shrugs*

3. Honestly, I don't really know what to say with this on. If you read the story, it's obvious that Wolverine has been brainwashed by Hydra and the green dialogue box is the brainwashing while the yellow box is the real Logan trying to fight against it. I mean, if you actually have trouble telling which one is the real Logan and actually think that Logan is contemplating raping Rachel because she looks like Jean then I just don't even know what to say about that. As for killing Northstar, once again, he was being mind controlled. It's not like he wanted to do it. Plus the Hand brought back Northstar like a few issues later anyways, and then Northstar was running around being controlled to do stuff he didn't want to do the same as Logan was, so it was just a big circle of crap. Let's just be angry at The Hand for all their resurrection and mind control shenanigans.

4. Honestly, I'm completely against Rachel here. In these scans, Cyclops has sent Rachel to hunt down and "retrieve" Hope from the Avengers. At this point, Hope does not WANT to go back to the X-Men. As much as everyone makes such a big huff about the Avengers showing up on Utopia and attempting to take Hope before, no one seems to care very much when Hope is with the Avengers and Cyclops keeps sending people to force Hope to come back. That's kind of the saddest part of AvX for me. Neither side really gave much of a crap about what Hope wanted, they were just fighting over her cause they knew the Phoenix wanted her.

5. Can't say much about this one as, again, I've never read the issue. Although I will bring up the fact that comics are notorious for putting crap on their covers that catch your attention but have nothing to do with what is actually inside.

6. Like someone mentioned above, everyone in Children's Crusade acted like a complete dick except for most of the Young Avengers and a few adults. Heck, I find it hilarious that in the series, Rogue was about the only X-Men who wasn't a jackass to Wanda, and then we go forward to Uncanny Avengers and have Rogue punching Wanda in the face. Mood swings.

7. Haven't read the issue. Don't really know context or anything.

8. See, this one I saw as Wolverine just letting everything out. He doesn't have the real Cyclops around, so he's gonna go off on the young one. I honestly do not think there is any way he would actually kill young Scott. That's also why I think Storm and some of the others are just letting him go. They know he's not serious. On the next page when Beast shows up, he tells him to knock it off and even says something to Logan about how he didn't bring them here so that Logan could vent.

9. I'd have to read the arc again, I'm not sure if there was some reason Logan couldn't have smelled them. He might have just been so angry at this point that he wasn't even paying attention. I hate this though, cause people always bring this up like, "OMG, Wolverine killed all his kids!!!" Guys, he did not KNOW they were his children and they were very specifically trying to kill HIM and he defended himself against them. The way people talk about it, you'd think he snuck in when they were napping and slaughtered them all intentionally.

10. I honestly never understood why they made such a big deal about Shulkie and Juggernaut. Like, who cares if they slept together? I'm sure Jen has slept with better/worse.

11. I'm gonna guess this is one of those silly holiday specials since even Cap seems to be somewhat hitting on MJ. Anyways, Logan has liked to tease Peter as long as I've been reading them, so I wouldn't be surprised if he joked around like this.

12. Same as above. Logan likes to tease and harass Peter. He just goes too far sometimes. And really, he got punched out like a fifty story window for his trouble, so I'd say he got his and then some. And as for stuff keeps getting brought up about how Logan hit on MJ after Peter "died", he did that to give her something to get angry at and focus her rage on. He told Jarvis this like five seconds after MJ slugged him and ran of. At the end of the whole Other storyline when Peter was back, MJ went to Logan and thanked him for giving her something to be angry at. Heck, she even hugged him and gave him a kiss on the cheek.

Welp, that was a massive post. And now off to work I go.

[amaniwolf]

I'm with you on this...

[suzene]

My major "Wolverine is a dick" moment is, unsurprisingly, at the end of the "Enemy of the State" storyline, where Wolverine leaves Northstar in SHIELD custody without ever telling anyone that he was alive. Not the school staff, not any of his Alpha Flight comrades, not any of the telepaths who might have been able to help, and not Kitty Pryde -- Wolverine's own "daughter" -- who had to bear the guilt of not being able to protect a teammate who was killed in front of her. Nope, just going to abandon the guy to a shadowy government agency and who gives a fuck about anyone else?

The idea that this selfish ass should be at the school as anything but a security thug is baffling.

[bj_l]

I don't remember it being a shock at all in Carey's run when Rogue and her team find Northstar and Aurora in SHIELD custody. So it must have been discussed at some point if Wolvie and a few SHIELD people were all that knew, when the body was dropped off.

[bj_l]

This totally proves how much of a dick Wolverine is. It's not like it's random panels and pages, with no context, chosen to make him look as bad as possible.

[auggie18]

http://www.faitherinhicks.com/wolverine/index.html

[okkult3000]

I want everyone to just take a moment and think about how much anger they are directing at a fictional character.

[benuben]

Seriously?

What anger? I don't see any "OMG HE SUCK, HE NEEDS TO DIE FUCK HIM!!!" comments. People here just say that he acts like dick. That's not being angry, that's just stating an opinion. Are you saying, that if people have anything negative to say, they should just keep quiet?

[glprime]

Despite the contents of this post, I don't hate Wolverine. I like him when he is being well written.

Agreed.