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Trigger warning: There's some questionable material regarding rape in here.


So, I've been having some issues with Wolverine recently. Issues along the lines of "why am I supposed to like this guy, he's a massive dick."

So, I think you can see where I'm going with this.

Let's get the AvX example out of the way, with Wolverine trying to kill a teenage girl.

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Okay, but she's running on Phoenix power. That's dangerous stuff. Remember what he did to Rachel Summers?

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"That isn't what X-men do, Rachel. That's why I'm totally gonna murder the hell out Selene a few years from now."

And speaking of Rachel, here's a scene in which a HYDRA-revived Wolverine considers raping her.

wolverine rachel summers hydra Pictures, Images and Photos

Dude. No. Seriously.

I'm honestly not sure which narration box is supposed to Wolverine's. So there's that. It's probably the greenish yellow one and not the yellowish green one. Maybe both of them?

Thankfully, Rachel taps into Reed Richards' brain, deconstructs the bomb, and TK-blasts the hell out of Wolverine. Using HYDRA tech, he escapes and does this:


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Aaaaand that all the "mind-controlled Wolverine kills people" stuff I'm gonna post because there's so much none mind-controlled Wolverine stuff to post!

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Rachel, you have so many reasons to dislike this guy. Also, Wolverine, did you forget that you were tracking Hope to kill her right before this?

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Ah, Katie'll be fine. Wolverine usually waits until they're teenagers to kill them. Right, Wiccan?

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Yep, totally fair to kill a kid for something he might do in the future. Keep that in mind for scan after the next one, though this is worse because there's no proof that Billy'll ever kill anybody.

And, hey, heads up, Legion!

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Wow, Wolverine. That's...a lot of hypocrisy right there.

And, of course, Wolverine totally not looking at the big picture.

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Pretty sure Cyclops has had a fairly big role in a lot of universe saving adventures. Murdering him before he could do that might be a bad thing. Plus, according to Reed Richards, if you kill him , all that will do is make his universe an alternate past. So you'd murdering a kid for something he'd never even do.

Also, this.

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So, were Wolverine's powers weakened before this or something? Because he could tell that X-23 was related to him by smell alone. The fact that he was murdering his kids shouldn't be a surprise.

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Yeah, 'cause you never slept with anyone evil. (And that was an alternate universe She-Hulk, thank you very much.)

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Oh Wolverine, you lovable scamp.

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This makes the fact that he hit on her after Peter "died" just that much creepier. (During the whole The Other storyline.)


Despite the contents of this post, I don't hate Wolverine. I like him when he is being well written. But when you constantly have three books going and are on every team on the face of the planet, you're gonna be hit that much more frequently by bad writing.

Also, morality speeches don't really work coming from him. Feel free to share your own favorite dickish Wolverine moments, I'm sure I missed a lot.

Date: 2013-01-21 04:53 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Wolverine usually waits until they're teenagers to kill them.
Yeah, when they're children, he only leads a killing squad to go and kill them, so when Fantomex does actually kill them it was Wolverine doing it ~personally~

There are also other issues you missed on Logan as the wonderful father figure that he is, like that time he told Laura her life was worth nothing in comparison to Rahne so Laura almost got killed.

Date: 2013-01-22 05:53 pm (UTC)
drmcninja: (Default)
From: [personal profile] drmcninja
That scene where Wade finally calls him out on his hypocrisy afterwards is still one of my all-time favorite bits in the MU.

Date: 2013-01-21 04:59 pm (UTC)
coldfury: (Default)
From: [personal profile] coldfury
I have no love for Wolverine, but I swear I think I remember Wolverine hitting on MJ to give her someone to channel her anger at.

Aside from that though, I agree that Wolverine is all over the map, and gets by without any consequence due to his popularity. Any other Avenger going kill crazy on a Young Avenger, and they'd be drummed out instantly. Wolverine? Ehh.. what're you going to do?

When he's written well, he's a good character. Another thing that bugs me is a side effect of the power creep affecting healing factor, he's always the first one hit, always taken down, and as a side effect he looks pretty incompetent.

Date: 2013-01-21 05:50 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
Tony recruited Wolverine into the Avengers specifically FOR that purpose, so yeah. They can't really be surprised when he does the job he *knows* he's there for.

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Date: 2013-01-21 05:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] azure_flame_god003
"Night-night Frodo" Legacy has been great.
Edited Date: 2013-01-21 05:11 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-01-21 07:15 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I'm loving Legacy too so far, the first issue was a little slow, but it's really picked up. That book really seems to be flying under the radar right now, so I'm worried about how long it'll sell in the long run without any of big name characters in it.
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Date: 2013-01-21 05:35 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Wolverine really is a piece of shit sometimes, but I hardly think it's fair to use Children's Crusade against him. Nearly EVERYONE is a piece of shit in that book save for, like, a handful of the Young Avengers.

Date: 2013-01-21 05:41 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
I used to do disregard it but then he kept threatening to kill teens again and again so whatever.

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Date: 2013-01-21 05:41 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
*cries at perils of being multi-written*

Date: 2013-01-21 05:44 pm (UTC)
greenmask: (Default)
From: [personal profile] greenmask
That said, I'm on-board for the first Rachel scene. That's good character work.

Date: 2013-01-21 05:53 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
In the Enemy of the State scans, I'm pretty sure both sets of boxes are Wolverine. Green boxes are the Hand brainwashing, yellow are his actual personality struggling against it.

It took virtual months (they plugged him into a VR scenario) to undo said brainwashing, if I recall.

Date: 2013-01-21 06:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucky_gamble
Yeah, that's why i find it so hard to like the character. The massive amount of hypocrisy and popularity behind the character really make it hard for anyone with a memory to like him.

Date: 2013-01-21 06:13 pm (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
Propably the most "no hit" title I've ever seen here so far :-)

Seriously, Logan is the last person to be allowed being around kids.

So, that was the reveal behind that secret organisation? Well, that's just Logan. He's not pro-life, or pro-choice he's just pro-killing.

You know, I don't have a problem with Wolverine being kind of a scumbag. It's part of his character and when done right, part of his charm. However, now Marvel seems to want him as this heroic figure, but they still write him as total jackass, which means, that his character now seems to be: "Killing is wrong, if I'm not the one doing it."

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Date: 2013-01-22 01:25 am (UTC)
halloweenjack: (Default)
From: [personal profile] halloweenjack
This. Wolverine is supposed to be a classic antihero, but he's been fucked with so much that who knows who or what he's supposed to be at any given moment.

Date: 2013-01-21 07:12 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
You know, Peter kicking the living crap out of Wolverine never ceases to bring a big ol smile to my face.

Date: 2013-01-21 07:21 pm (UTC)
flint_marko: (Cyclops was right)
From: [personal profile] flint_marko
"That isn't what X-men do, Rachel. That's why I'm totally gonna murder the hell out Selene a few years from now."

In Wolverine's defense there, he admitted there that he was wrong for stopping Rachel.



Still an asshole, though.

Date: 2013-01-21 07:49 pm (UTC)
salinea: (Default)
From: [personal profile] salinea
Useless if it's not addressed to Rachel.

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Date: 2013-01-21 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lonewolf23k
That storyline about Wolverine being set up to kill his children kinda loses it's punch when it's obvious all of them were violent psychopaths, people he probably would've ended up killing anyway.

Date: 2013-01-21 07:38 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
Those Rachel/Wolverine scans are terribly skeevy IMO. But under many writers so is he most of the time. I wonder how much of Wolverine's "present" popularity is due to Hugh Jackman and the movies (and not just the 80s-90s comics Logan where we're supposed to find him "cool" because he's darker and grittier than the rest of the X-Men - at the time)

Date: 2013-01-21 07:43 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Boy do I hate that scan with young Cyclops, partly because Wolverine is being an absolutely raging asshole, and partly because for his threat to be valid it would have to completely contradict the way time travel works in the Marvel U.

Date: 2013-01-22 07:53 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
Everything about time travel in the MU contradicts itself. Have there even been a set of 'rules' for MU time travel? That has been adhered to?

Date: 2013-01-21 08:01 pm (UTC)
ext_502445: (Default)
From: [identity profile] arrogantcur.livejournal.com
Visiting Matsuo Tsurayaba on a yearly basis to cut off or cut out a part of his body each time.

Made me fucking sick, and it's completely at odds with his speech to Rachel about how there are some things heroes just don't stoop to.

Date: 2013-01-21 08:08 pm (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
Wait.. Isn't that pretty much the same thing Sabretooth used to be doing to Wolverine? Just show up once a year and beat the crap out of him?

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Date: 2013-01-21 09:23 pm (UTC)
grazzt: (Default)
From: [personal profile] grazzt
You forgot him threatening Molly Hayes, and the smackdown that followed.

Date: 2013-01-21 09:53 pm (UTC)
nefrekeptah: (Default)
From: [personal profile] nefrekeptah
Yeah, thing is? In a lot of these scans, Wolverine isn't being a dick. In both situations with Hope and Rachael, it's obvious he's not enjoying what he's doing, he feels he had no other choice. And in the other scene with Rachael (the one without the creepy rape parts) he's actually done a bit of soul searching and realized that he really can't kill Hope even if he wanted to. He didn't "forget," he changed his mind.

Yep, totally fair to kill a kid for something he might do in the future.

Which is not at all what he's saying. Magneto was talking about the Scarlet Witch, who everyone thought lost control of her powers and killed several people, and if the same thing happened to Wiccan, the Avengers would kill him before he could hurt anyone. And Logan agreed.

Also, Wolverine is kinda a dick, and always has been. Just because he's acting like one doesn't mean he's being badly written.

Date: 2013-01-21 09:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] salinea
he's not enjoying what he's doing,
Boohoo. My heart weeps for him.

he's actually done a bit of soul searching and realized that he really can't kill Hope even if he wanted to. He didn't "forget," he changed his mind.
Except then he tried again.
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Date: 2013-01-21 10:01 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Katie Cook Doug)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Not exactly killing a kid, but making a very snide comment about a kid who DID die, intercepting a bullet to save the life of a team-mate (Okay, so he came back, but HE didn't know that, and it DID take 20+ years)

Date: 2013-01-21 11:36 pm (UTC)
amaniwolf: (Bunnywinz!)
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I'm with you on this...

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Date: 2013-01-22 02:40 am (UTC)
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My major "Wolverine is a dick" moment is, unsurprisingly, at the end of the "Enemy of the State" storyline, where Wolverine leaves Northstar in SHIELD custody without ever telling anyone that he was alive. Not the school staff, not any of his Alpha Flight comrades, not any of the telepaths who might have been able to help, and not Kitty Pryde -- Wolverine's own "daughter" -- who had to bear the guilt of not being able to protect a teammate who was killed in front of her. Nope, just going to abandon the guy to a shadowy government agency and who gives a fuck about anyone else?

The idea that this selfish ass should be at the school as anything but a security thug is baffling.

Date: 2013-01-22 07:58 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bj_l
I don't remember it being a shock at all in Carey's run when Rogue and her team find Northstar and Aurora in SHIELD custody. So it must have been discussed at some point if Wolvie and a few SHIELD people were all that knew, when the body was dropped off.

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Date: 2013-01-22 07:56 am (UTC)
bj_l: (Default)
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This totally proves how much of a dick Wolverine is. It's not like it's random panels and pages, with no context, chosen to make him look as bad as possible.

Date: 2013-01-22 05:01 pm (UTC)
okkult3000: (Default)
From: [personal profile] okkult3000
I want everyone to just take a moment and think about how much anger they are directing at a fictional character.

Date: 2013-01-22 05:13 pm (UTC)
benuben: (Default)
From: [personal profile] benuben
Seriously?

What anger? I don't see any "OMG HE SUCK, HE NEEDS TO DIE FUCK HIM!!!" comments. People here just say that he acts like dick. That's not being angry, that's just stating an opinion. Are you saying, that if people have anything negative to say, they should just keep quiet?

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Date: 2013-01-24 12:26 am (UTC)
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Despite the contents of this post, I don't hate Wolverine. I like him when he is being well written.

Agreed.

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