More Wonder Woman And Orion Interaction.

[superfangirl1]

Wonder Woman #16










Wonder Woman #17

Comments

[jeyl]

Make a quip about Zola's pregnancy, she'll stab your hand with a broken beer bottle. Slap her on the rear, she won't even finish a sentence.

[espanolbot]

They have more pressing matters than Orion being an ass.

[jeyl]

Like the pressing matter that Wonder Woman shouldn't go alone and must bring along a male companion? Rich.

[doodleboy]

And it wasn't necessarily quipping about Zola's pregnancy and more like threatening to tear the baby out of her...

[jeyl]

Makes sense why Wonder Woman would allow her to tag along, right?

[aravis]

Wonder Woman should, really, have had a more immediatly articulate response than "What the -". That Orion is being a sexist ass is one thing. But Diana's response feels... So small. It's like she couldn't handle it, and if there is one comic book character that SHOULD be able to handle sexism in an appropriate manner.... well, who else?

[mortimerwclankitybritches]

To be fair she was interupted by Zola, so maybe she was just building up to a better response. Her face certainly suggests she was going to verbally rip him to shreds

[icon_uk]

She's probably never had her ass slapped by a man before (What with growing up without any males at all), and is rather surprised that anyone would do such a thing, never mind a man.

That being said her punching Orion's lights out should have come faster than a sonic boom.

[goattoucher]

I dunno. Diana has always been a class act. She has a sharp edge, to be sure, but self control is one of her hallmarks.

Can't say I'm a fan of the writer putting her in this position though... Then again, it gets a genuine reaction out of me, so maybe it's the sign of a deft hand.

I'm not sure.

[lieut_kettch]

I agree. The old Diana would be flustered for all of one second by the butt-slap, and slowly turn to Orion and deliver a coldly and carefully worded threat about detaching his hand from his person the next time he tries that.

[q99]

Why is it some WW writers think the thing we want to see is more sexism?

And I'm unimpressed with this book's gender politics in general.

[practicalcat]

Yes this.

[theflames]

...Yeah, I saw the butt slap floating on the internet. As well as the reaction the fans had, which I don't think is completely fair.

She was obviously reacting; but then she realised she had more pressing matters to deal with, fans seem to have wanted her to spend the rest of the issue metaphorically punching Orion in the throat because of what he did. And with her beginning facial expression a long with the 'WHAT the-' that might've been exactly what she was going to do.

But she stooped because she had something far more important to worry about. Fair game.

[donnblake]

I think the issue is not so much that Diana, in-character, decides that the other things going on are more imoprtant as that the writers play it off for laughs without dealing with the issue of Orion's behavior. Of course, this is just a few pages from a single issue of the storyline, so it's entirely possible that it will be appropriately addressed elsewhere, but do you see why these scans, alone and out-of-context, could seem problematic?

[theflames]

Of course I can see why they can be viewed as problematic, but I just don't think they are problematic, personally.

Because what Orion is doing isn't being displayed as something, cool or awesome. He's done it, and our hero, our protagonist, our viewpoint immediately sees it as wrong, and of course she's right. Nothing has been played off for laughs here, but the writer are using his actions to shorthand his personality and show us that he simply isn't a 100% likeable character. It's that 'the good guy isn't always a good person' thing.

But yeah, his attitude and behaviour will most likely be addressed and after that he'll simmer down somewhat I believe.

[shadowpsykie]

here here

[invadertoph]

Okay, I only have the JLU series to go by but I don't remember Orion being this much of an asshole.

[venatosapiens]

"You'd never catch me at one of those receptions."

*Batglare*

"...It's not black tie, is it?"

[invadertoph]

Forgot about that. But that wasn't half as bad as he's acting in Wonder Woman.

[venatosapiens]

No arguments there.

[q99]

He can be a jerk, but I don't remember him being a sexist jerk.

[philippos42]

Hm. Deadface meets Xena.

Hey, a child whose birth could end all things! Well, we have to have one of those every couple decades, right?

[atom_punk]

I'm reminded of that scene from the animated Justice League where Bats and Wonder Woman go to New Genesis and Lightray slaps her on the butt (or at least it's seriously implied that he did). She certainly did react and she and Bats did chase Lightray down, but at the same time she didn't try to punch him out or anything because they also had bigger problems at the time. And that reaction made sense to me.

Sooo, personal verdict: her actions here are pretty much in character and in the same veing as the aforementioned scene.

But I do think it would be hilarious if at the end of this story arc when Orion leaves, Diana just decks him a la Batman vs. Guy Gardner.

WW: "Oh and by the way, Orion?"

O: "Yes?"

BAM!

WW: "Don't slap me on the butt. EVER"

[shadowpsykie]

heh i agree on everything

[sigmund_droid]

It's entirely possible Orion WANTED WW to start fighting him or at least to provoke a reaction judging by his face. I don't think straight punching him out would be the answer.

[philippos42]

Is the art on #17 bothering anyone else? The linework is different, and the angry faces are kind of over the top.

[doodleboy]

That's Tony Akins who fills in for Cliff Chiang on the series. I actually like his art, although yes his faces are sometimes iffy and sometimes bug-eyed. His anatomy can be exaggerated too.

He's not a bad artist, just has the unfortunate role of filling in for freakin Cliff Chiang.

[jeyl]

So the general consensus is that it's ok to sexually harass someone as long as the recipient has other "pressing matters" to attend to.

[sistermagpie]

To be fair, I think it's more that people are saying that it's okay for WW to not deal with it at that moment because she has more pressing matters to attend to.

But from a Doylist perspective, yes, you're right. Because it's in there with no consequences because for WW and everyone else and the audience is expected to see it as a "small thing" compared to everything else that's going on. Which is...a pretty common defense for this kind of harassment. Him taking time out of pressing matters to slap her butt is fine. Her (or anyone else) taking time out of pressing matters to seriously object to it would be petty and make her look bad. So sexual harassment: only important when you've got nothing else going on.

[thezmage]

And you're arguing that, on the contrary, there is absolutely nothing in the world more important than sexism. They are attempting to save everything and everyone in the entire world, and you're saying that they should forget that and focus on what's really important: keeping Orion from bring sexist.

[jeyl]

Yeah, a minimum of two seconds is really asking a lot out of this world. I've seen Xena take action against ogling muggers without so much as breaking her stride.

[halloweenjack]

But this is comics, where the shorthand for "a menace that threatens all of space in time" is "Tuesday afternoon." From the perspective of WW being a feminist icon of many decades, it is a bigger deal.

[halloweenjack]

Really, the only acceptable outcome of that moment (given that Diana is now a dual-wielder) is that Orion shows up in the next issue with a mechanical hand. Otherwise, it's yet another example of why I've never been a fan of Azz's work.