Date: 2013-05-07 06:26 pm (UTC)
crinos: (Default)
From: [personal profile] crinos
Well, that lasted about as long as expected.

Um, stupid question, why is he suddenly a drow elf?

Date: 2013-05-07 06:38 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Seems to be a combo of adjusted Manbat serum and whatever Ivy did to him.

As it is, though, I didn't much mind the concept of this story - it's just the execution that feels a little bit off. The idea of Penguin being deposed by one of his own lieutenants isn't a bad one, but they should've designed a concept way better than Ogvily. Hell, maybe done something like they did with Scarface/Ventriloquist and replaced him with a female character - one of Penguin's bodyguards or something who we saw during Daniel's run.

Date: 2013-05-07 07:30 pm (UTC)
akodo_rokku: (Default)
From: [personal profile] akodo_rokku
I think the big problem was they didn't explain his motivation until after he's deposed. Had they revealed earlier in this story that he was motivated by his dad being a perennial henchmen who always kept his head down, never reached for the brass ring, and died with nothing for no good reason so Ignatious made becoming the top dog no matter what even if it was only for moments his life's goal just to prove he could *do* it -- we'd have been more invested.

I like him anyway, he made me curious. I hope he doesn't get forgotten and randomly killed in a couple of years to show how hard some new villain is.

Date: 2013-05-07 07:36 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
I hope he doesn't get forgotten and randomly killed in a couple of years to show how hard some new villain is.

Isn't that more or less what they did for him? The only reason the Penguin isn't dead (when it would be more sensible to kill him) is that the Penguin has a case of FRI (Franchise Related Immortality), but from now on, the Penguin won't have his reputation as the toughest, sharpest "mover and shaker" in Gotham history because Ogilvy deposed him.
Edited Date: 2013-05-07 07:37 pm (UTC)

Date: 2013-05-07 07:48 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
There's still a bit of difference in getting a 'classic' villain beaten up - because we always know the likes of Joker, Penguin, Riddler and others will always be back, and just wasting what could be interesting new characters to showcase another new character. Sadly, the latter seems to happen way, way too often.

Date: 2013-05-07 08:37 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
That's actually a good backstory. Sort of the anti-Stephanie Brown, the child of a mook/D-lister who instead of becoming a hero decides to become a real super-villain. Too bad it was wasted. As soon as the guy takes the name of another villain (Penguin) you know he's not going to last. He should have known that too.

Date: 2013-05-07 07:32 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Yes, him turning himself into a monster is what makes me feel this was a waste. The Penguin got and held his empire through brains and ruthless sneakiness, THAT'S what the one who replaced him should have demonstrated, which to be fair Ogilvy did, but to then turn himself into Solomon Grundy with worse skin problems so he conveniently has superstrength and partial invulnerability so he's a physical threat to Batman is just dissappointing as a story choice.

Not every threat to Batman should be a personal physical one; Penguin, Riddler, Scarface, they're enough of a threat as they are, if we need a tactically gifted bruiser, we have Bane somewhere around the place.

Date: 2013-05-07 07:46 pm (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
I don't think it helps that it was an entirely brand new character, either. It would make far more sense for it to just be one of his existing underlings or something along those lines, whose background could then be expanded upon. Like, again, one of his bodyguards from Daniel's run - Lark or something like that.

Granted she's presented as being more physically capable than most, but she's closer to Cobblepot than Ogvily ever would be, and she predominantly just uses guns. But it'd still be more interesting, IMO, than just some guy who seemed interesting at first, turned out to be a superpowered waste of time, and hasn't even really managed to affect the status quo - why should I care about this guy if his reign lasts all of five seconds? I understand that's kind of the point of his rant, but.. Seriously.

Date: 2013-05-07 08:34 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
I think they turned him into a monster so he can be used again without being some generic Penguin-wanna-be. Every writer who works on the Bat-books wants to try their hand at adding another member to the Bat's Rogues and hoping he sticks.

Date: 2013-05-08 07:01 am (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Fair point, though one might want to recall how well that worked with Fright and Scarebeast!

Date: 2013-05-07 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
There's alot of stupid in this story, but the worst of it for me is Ogilvy's stupid upgrades.

"He's been pumped up by venom, poison ivy and Manbat! He's three times as dangerous as the average man!"

There's no functional difference between all that, and just taking alot of venom. God forbid the writers be creative, and say, give him Manbat's sonar (to negate Batman's usual stealth approach), maybe duplicate Poison Ivy's mood altering pheromones (inducing fear and such) and then just a pinch of venom.

Date: 2013-05-08 12:07 am (UTC)
big_daddy_d: (Default)
From: [personal profile] big_daddy_d
Look wise,...he kinda looks awesome... albeit who else thinks he looks like a Reverse Joker?

Although, Emperor never was feeling the name.

Date: 2013-05-08 03:21 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Ogilvy was doing good until he freaked out with this whole upgrade thing - using Death of the Family to blame Joker murders to this whole hybrid thing seems like a big leap from both poles of the subtlety scale.

I liked the part about having a different view on what it means to win, though. Not a lot of henchmen get to that point.

Date: 2013-05-08 05:19 am (UTC)
thosefew: bored death (Default)
From: [personal profile] thosefew
I was kind of thinking he looked like Nightcrawler crossed with Floronic Man

Date: 2013-05-08 12:05 pm (UTC)
wizardru: Hellboy (Default)
From: [personal profile] wizardru
Motto. That was actually the same thing that occurred to me.

Date: 2013-05-09 01:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sir_razorback
For me, the best part of the book was batman charging on the scene driving the Tumbler because 'he wanted to make an impression'.


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