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Bruce gives a valuable lesson about fandoms,


While in the background, we have Cass and Steph sneaking in! Yay! Until someone in DC edits them out, again, at least...

Close-up,



While Dan Didio repeated the same "We have plans!" thing he always says about Steph and Cass, though he did say that he was originally planning to use the in the upcoming Forever Evil miniseries, but then changed his mind.
http://geek-news.mtv.com/2013/07/21/sdcc-2013-dan-didio-stephanie-brown/

While Scott Snyder says he wants to use them, but people above his paygrade say he can't. *hinthint*
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/sdcc-2013-batman-zero-year-panel/1100-146895/

While Joe Q at the Cup of Joe panel said that Marvel will buy Stephanie Brown if DC insists on not using them. Though he was probably just trying to stir stuff.

Date: 2013-07-22 12:05 pm (UTC)
swatkat: knight - er, morgana - in shining underwear (Default)
From: [personal profile] swatkat
Joe Q was clearly trolling DC, but they so deserve it.

Date: 2013-07-22 02:05 pm (UTC)
goggle_kid: (Juston)
From: [personal profile] goggle_kid
They should make a "not really Steph" character, call her "Lady Knighthawk" or something like that and throw her in the cast of Mighty Avengers or whatever the next spinoff book is.

Date: 2013-07-22 03:12 pm (UTC)
auggie18: (Default)
From: [personal profile] auggie18
Nah, make a new Nomad. She's blonde, she wears a purple version of the outfit, and comes from an alternate dimension she can't seem to remember.

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Date: 2013-07-22 02:21 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
If DC would do it, I bet Queseda would buy Steph (and Cass and Donna) and totally roll with them in their own books just to spite DC.

Date: 2013-07-22 02:25 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
"Spite" is rarely a good motivation for ANYTHING.

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Date: 2013-07-22 02:52 pm (UTC)
lieut_kettch: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
Hmmm... Steph, Cass, and Donna? Have Lady Nighthawk (Ladyhawke?) team up with X-23 or Finesse and Delphyne Gorgon.

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Date: 2013-07-22 01:22 pm (UTC)
bjornwilde: (catThor)
From: [personal profile] bjornwilde
As curious as I would be to see what Marvel would do with Steph, they don't have the best track record for young heroes; Anya Corazon, Rikki Barnes, Cassidy Lang, etc.

Date: 2013-07-22 02:06 pm (UTC)
goggle_kid: (Juston)
From: [personal profile] goggle_kid
The cast of Avengers Arena... *sighs*

Date: 2013-07-22 04:03 pm (UTC)
ablackraptor: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
Yet, X-23's been treated pretty well (so far, every time a book she's been on that gets cancelled she just hops onto a new book; NXM, X-Force, her ongoing, Academy, etc), as has Miles Morales (even after many fans, which I'll admit including myself, were apprehensive towards at first), and recently Kate Bishop (main character on two teams plus is now one of the only two YA characters integrated into the Ultimate Universe), and they've given tons of publicity to Sam Alexander's Nova (despite being an annoying twerp in the TV show he came from). They've screwed up a bit, but they've been pretty kind to most of their younger characters.

Well, if you ignore Arena anyway.

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Date: 2013-07-22 02:26 pm (UTC)
jaybee3: Nguyen Lil Cass (Default)
From: [personal profile] jaybee3
As much as hate to think, I can totally see someone (Didio?) coming up with the idea of bringing Steph back during Forever Evil just so they can kill her off again. Just to cheese off the fans (I think a lot of DC's animus towards Steph and Cass is because readers wouldn't let it go and fall in line behind the "iconic" "one and only" Barbara Gordon Batgirl). I would actually prefer neither Steph or Cass appear as long as the current Editorial regime is in place because I DO think they would both be used as cannon fodder for a crossover (War Games Part Deux).

On the other hand, Snyder's remarks are probably the most accurate. Writers wanted to use them but "someone" says no to all appeals and there are no plans to use them - EVER.

Date: 2013-07-22 03:02 pm (UTC)
goggle_kid: (Default)
From: [personal profile] goggle_kid
Actually one fan site I was checking out was speculating that the original plan was to reveal the New-52 Joker's Daughter to be debuted in Forever Evil was actually Steph.

Date: 2013-07-22 03:54 pm (UTC)
ablackraptor: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
I doubt they'd be that stupid. Fans have been going (understandably) nuts over their lack of appearances, they'd probably (and again understandably) seriously freak out if they brought them back then killed them off. They've seen how people react to them not existing, if they really went out of their way to kill off the characters after bringing them back, it would be PR suicide.
Even people who don't read/care about Steph and Cass would probably find it in bad taste and likely complain, and I can't imagine Simone or Snyder, who're probably DC's most popular writers right now, being OK with something so spiteful happening to characters they like.

Honestly, the most likely to happen after they come back is either for them to float around in limbo making odd appearances here and there or get regulated to a C-list team book that never gets promoted but sells well enough for DC to keep it.

Date: 2013-07-22 04:51 pm (UTC)
icon_uk: (Default)
From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Bruce's little chat reminds me of this

Date: 2013-07-22 05:47 pm (UTC)
silverhammerman: (Default)
From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Ack! My emotions!

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Date: 2013-07-22 05:09 pm (UTC)
zechs80: (Mayuri)
From: [personal profile] zechs80
You forgot to mention that DC also handed out a Kindle to a fan so they could dodge the Stephanie Brown question. Just bring the characters back.

If DC ever does, they're going to make them extreme grim and even more 90s aren't they?

Date: 2013-07-22 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] yvonmukluk
Wait, really? Why can't they just admit they A)have nothing or B)just plain don't like her?

I don't get why she and Cass are persona non grata, anyway. I mean, they've both got non-Batgirl identities they can use if the NOT MUH BATGURL issue is the sticking point.

Although granted, Lady Shiva now being Cass' age...ish is a bit of an issue (why did they age her down, again?).

Honestly, the knowledge that Cass and Steph are out there, ready to be used whenever a writer wants to would sooth some of the hurt feelings over this, I think. It's kind of why I hate Arena, since it's taking characters out of the sandbox, and not exactly putting anything new in. (Although we know at least that X-23 is going to survive, since she's been mentioned as such in the X-men panel).

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Date: 2013-07-22 08:40 pm (UTC)
ablackraptor: (Default)
From: [personal profile] ablackraptor
I'm hoping the fan's watched Shawshank Redemption, so they know now to double their efforts. Within ten years, we'll have her back!

Date: 2013-07-22 09:55 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
That panel is awesome. Thanks Dustin. I think I needed that. *Goes and rereads his trade paperbacks*

Date: 2013-07-22 11:58 pm (UTC)
althechi: (dave lincoln doesn't take crap)
From: [personal profile] althechi
I'm betting Dustin Ngyuen put them in that particular panel so that any attempt to erase them from it would be super ironic.

Date: 2013-07-23 12:59 am (UTC)
q99: (Default)
From: [personal profile] q99
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While Dan Didio repeated the same "We have plans!" thing he always says about Steph and Cass,-

Proper response, "No, you don't. And even if you did, you should've scrapped them the movement Morrison or Gail wanted to use them."

-though he did say that he was originally planning to use the in the upcoming Forever Evil miniseries, but then changed his mind.-

Yeaaa, villainizing didn't go over so well last time.

Date: 2013-07-23 01:54 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
Whoa whoa whoa - let's not get TOO gun-ho here. I know that Gail at least has experience with writing feisty young teenage heroes (Misfit - though I've never read her, having jumped ship the second that Dixon left Birds of Prey), but does Morrison have any equivalent feats?

From what I've read of Morrison's Batman work, Steph isn't really a character that plays to his strengths.

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Date: 2013-07-23 04:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] joetuss
I wouldn't mind the new dcu if they kept the bat fam in tact timelines and all (and when I say family I mean all of bruce's adopted/biological children) didn't care much for barbra or steph but hell lets throw em in too...It just feels like ultimate dc now

Date: 2013-07-23 06:53 am (UTC)
mrstatham: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mrstatham
You know I totally believe DC editorial when they say they have plans for the characters?

As in, I absolutely believe they've planned not to use them. *rimshot*

Date: 2013-07-23 10:31 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] lego_joker
You know what would be awesome?

If, in the final issue of Lil' Gotham, the revealed that the entire thing was a fan-comic being made by Cass and Steph to pass the time while they were in DC limbo?

Heck, Steph already has feats showing off her mad cartooning skillz.

Date: 2013-07-23 10:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] junipepper
This continues to baffle me. There's a weirdly spiteful air about the refusal to use these characters. They have writers asking to write them and readers anxious to read them; what exactly is the problem? Perhaps it's the perception that most of the Cass/Steph agitators are female, and as everyone knows, girl money has cooties.

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