Date: 2013-08-09 08:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cypherfdp
So much for getting it back to his family, huh, Stranger?

Date: 2013-08-09 08:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Stranger must have known that he wouldn't manage it, because he'd been told before he couldn't, I suspect the light thingie may have been slipped b the Stranger to someone else on the team who the angel banished.

Date: 2013-08-09 08:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maxisanacorn
Batman naturally.

Date: 2013-08-09 08:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maxisanacorn
So his wife is going to be Kimiyo Hoshi and she's going to inherit his powers calling it now. Unless they get him back by the end of the issue?

Date: 2013-08-09 08:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
That'd be my guess too.

Date: 2013-08-09 08:56 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maxisanacorn
Somewhat of a shame I always liked she was completely removed from him in her origins and that she had such a big role in Crisis. I liked that there were two individuals with the same name and shtick and more or less costume at the same time in the same canon and better yet one heroic the other not. Marvel does that a whole lot better than DC, the shared codename thing. We can't POSSIBLY have that now can we (glares at Batgirl).

The idea they were married and had kids after the reboot is pretty ingenious in a squicky way especially in the light of DC dissolving all of the other heroes marriages and wiping away children. But def the frequency that he has mentioned his wife she is no doubt going to be the next Doctor Light. Hopefully as speculated it's Kimiyo and not a new white woman.

Date: 2013-08-09 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
It'll be especially interesting if/when Arthur Light does come back, probably as a more tragic but still serious villain.

Date: 2013-08-09 06:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
I've been assuming that since Arthur's death (though I figured his spirit would be visiting her directly before this issue).

Date: 2013-08-09 09:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] maxisanacorn
OH wow apparently they've said his wife's name is Kim (?) already and there was a family picture of him and his family in his office. She's notably Asian.

Paging Dr. Kimiyo...you're up.

Date: 2013-08-09 05:33 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
It's been looking like that really since his introduction in JLA, but yeah, this was the first real official confirmation.

Date: 2013-08-09 12:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] nyadnar17
Is anyone else kinda weirded out that in the DCU Heaven and Hell a dead person ends up in are generated entirely by their own minds?

Date: 2013-08-09 02:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] icon_uk
Might be that in Heaven you get what you need, in Hell you get what you deserve.

Date: 2013-08-09 02:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sir_razorback
Supernatural used the same plot device a few years back. One of Sam and Dean's trips through the afterlife took them through various planes of Heaven, where they caught up with a character that died many years back and learned how it worked up there.

Date: 2013-08-09 03:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
yeah there was kinda a group heaven (main heaven i guess) and personal heaven. you could jump back and forth i think.

Date: 2013-08-09 04:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] filthysize
IIRC, the concept in Supernatural is that everyone gets a slice of heaven they can remake to whatever they want it to be, but you can go visit other people's heavens. So it's like a super awesome house they give you.

Date: 2013-08-09 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Like I said above, if you want to see what probably inspired that take on Heaven/Hell, you should really check out RIchard Matheson's "What Dreams May Come."

Date: 2013-08-09 06:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
one of my favorite depictions of heaven/hell/purgatory i have ever seen actually. i was going to mention it but wasn't sure if there were enough people here who woul dhave seen it :D

Date: 2013-08-09 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Ah--my apologies for presuming you hadn't.

Date: 2013-08-09 03:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
actually that is kinda how i have always visualized heaven and hell to a point.

Date: 2013-08-09 06:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bruinsfan
I'd imagine it would be the same process at work in either case, and the tone of the afterlife experience would be determined by the soul that's doing the universe-building.

Date: 2013-08-09 05:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cainofdreaming
It's not a new concept for DCU, the Hal!Spectre series also used it. Hell was created by the souls that had been condemned there. By themselves.

Of course there's some bits that don't really work with this portrayal. Like Etrigan.

Date: 2013-08-09 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
That's actually not a new concept--another book that had something similar was What Dreams May Come, written by Richard Matheson that had a similar view of Heaven. When talking about it, Matheson said that outside of the characters themselves, all the details he put in were from extensive research he put in not only different forms of philosophy, but from real people's testimonies of near-death experiences, and the book includes a several page bibliography at the end. I definitely recommend reading it--there was also a movie adaptation starring Robin Williams that was pretty good too.

And if you think that's weird, since the start of DeMatteis' run, he's had God appear in the book as a big player in the book, and he's typically appeared as a cute little dog.

Date: 2013-08-09 07:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] freezer
Two of my favorite (unfairly obscuer) books deal with this concept as well: Waiting For The Galactic Bus and The Snake Oil Wars.: Long story short: People end up in which ever place they think they deserve, resulting a bunch of good people "Below Stairs" (Hell) and a ton of evil bastards "Topside" (Heaven). And those of a strong enough will can shape the world around them to their liking.

Date: 2013-08-09 06:23 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] kamino_neko
Not...really? It's pretty much how I've always assumed they would work, since...neither would quite work, otherwise. (Well, Hell might, but, barring the 'complete rewrite of your mind' that exists in some versions, it would be hard to have Heaven as perfect happiness if it wasn't tailored to the person's needs and desires.)

Date: 2013-08-09 04:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] simiansyndicate
Why does Batman appear to be talking in the exaggerated Frank Miller style that Linkara likes making fun of so much in his videos?

Date: 2013-08-09 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Never underestimate the power of a bromance.

I actually really liked how DeMatteis wrote him--he's risking everything to try to save his friend. Earlier in the issue, some of the rescue team gets sucked into their own heaven, and we see Batman's as being Christmas with his parents forever, which he walks into and listens for a while before returning to his mission, content that he'll be there someday.

Plus the "Bringing the dead back to life? That's insane. I like it." bit just made me laugh. :D

Date: 2013-08-11 12:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lieut_kettch
So does he run into Damian while he's there?

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