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"This is kind of the opposite of what I did with FANTASTIC FOUR, what I’m doing with AVENGERS. A lot of FANTASTIC FOUR was going back and looking at old runs and seeing what worked and what didn’t work, and taking the good stuff out and reintroducing it. The goal, though, was to make the franchise really relevant again. This isn’t the same thing. The Avengers are more relevant than they’ve ever been at any point in the history of the franchise. It’s stronger now than it has ever been. Going back and looking at a bunch of old stuff, regardless of how fond I am of it—and there’s certainly stuff that I really really like—I think it’s the wrong move to try and revisit old territory. I think that would be a mistake, and so I’ve intentionally gone the other way." - Jonathan Hickman











Date: 2014-09-26 09:48 am (UTC)

Date: 2014-09-26 10:17 am (UTC)
bewareofgeek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
So he's revisiting old LSH plots instead?

Date: 2014-09-26 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] drtechnobabel
Oh, goddammit. How the fuck has this entire thing evolved into 'the Tony problem' taking precedence over trying to stop the Incursions (that they clearly know about if they are hunting him down, unless the Illuminati did something EVEN WORSE than blowing up an inhabited planet during what I am assuming is a timeskip)? More importantly, how the fuck did the Illuminati manage to convince even more people to join their little circlejerk of a club? I mean, Pym joining I can sort of understand given his more morally-questionable decisions in the past, but Captain Britain and Amadeus Cho fell for their bullshit too? God, this is becoming Civil War all over again, only at least in that event Tony's side had a somewhat legitimate reason for people to join them.

Date: 2014-09-26 03:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
i don't necissarily think the idea of the Illuminati is a bad idea, yes, pull some of the greatest minds on the planet from differnt fields and get them to work together to solve problems others cant. but when a HUGE problem like this, that could probably benifite from "ALL HANDS ON DECK" then yeah. they need to get thier collective shadow heads out of thier equally shadowy asses and in the words of Gunn: MAKE IT WORK

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Date: 2014-09-26 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] thezmage
I think your first question answers your second one. For all of the bad they did, they're the only team whose plan doesn't amount to universe-wide suicide.

When dealing with a well-intentioned extremist, FIRST you show them a better way, THEN you take them down for the shit they pulled

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Date: 2014-09-26 10:35 am (UTC)
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Why is Sue wearing a helmet? I mean, it's not exactly a huge shock that she'd run with such characters as.. Hawkeye and Carol Danvers.

Date: 2014-09-26 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Because it lets the last page be all DRAMATIC SURPRISE!

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Date: 2014-09-26 10:55 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] suzine
The Adam and Kevin part was actually kinda nice- maybe because I don't know much about them. But Sam and Bobby...*sigh* And the art really isn't helping.

The story... drags. And the attempt to turn Tony into Lex Luthor really isn't working.

Date: 2014-09-26 01:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] bewareofgeek
Actually, I finally figured out what the unmasked "Superior" Iron Man reminds me of....



Hotwing, from SilverHawks!

Date: 2014-09-26 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
Hmm. So Thor's lost his arm and Mjolnir. Wonder if this ties into the female Thor thing that's coming up?

Date: 2014-09-28 10:04 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] fiddlingfrog.livejournal.com
I think it's in reference to Jason Aaron's run on Thor: God of Thunder, where future King Thor has lost his left arm and replaced it with one made of metal. Which, if all the Marvel writers decide to go with the idea that sometime in the future Thor will lose an arm and have it replaced with a metal one, would make it an awesome example of collective storytelling.

Modern Marvel, Everybody!

Date: 2014-09-26 01:16 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] mr_cyn1cal
Well, give credit to these guys - they definitely are doing something different then what the movies and other media are doing. In that the movies and other media are mostly good and this mostly isn't.

Who wants superheroes who fix the cause of the problems and save the day when you can choose between the elitist genocide-enabling shadow cabinet that make the HARD HARD CHOICES for the "greater good", or the superheroes now co-opted by the military-industrial complex in their shiny all-black outfits?

Where the only character in the entire story looking to actually solve the problem appears to be the actual iron-fisted dictator?

Retcon this already.

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Date: 2014-09-26 02:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sadoeuphemist
the elitist genocide-enabling shadow cabinet that make the HARD HARD CHOICES for the "greater good", or the superheroes now co-opted by the military-industrial complex

This was literally the plot of the Avengers movie, though.

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Date: 2014-09-26 03:26 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shadowpsykie
okay i am REALLY confused... when did the others join the Illuminati?

i love Amadeus, but i don't see him joining the Illuminati....

also... i kinda love that it's Susan who is aparently in charge of shield,....

Date: 2014-09-26 03:40 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
We've had a time skip, I think.

Date: 2014-09-26 03:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] draganoche
What is the Illuminati's objective now? Cause in new avengers the cabal are apparently still the only ones destroying worlds and having (excluding namor) great fun doing it. On the upside Doom is back and in impressive form.

Date: 2014-09-27 07:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] writeofway
You gotta love the forward thinking of Namor, right?

Namor: I'm gonna grab a bunch of omnicidal, bloodthirsty psychopaths who take almost erotic glee in wholesale murder and give them all the victims they could possibly gorge themselves on so that our universe can be spared! What could possibly go wrong!?"

*eight months later*

Namor complains to Doom about them taking too much pleasure in doing exactly what he asked them to do! "OH MY GOD, WHERE DID I GO WRONG?!"

The Illuminati is supposedly full of the smartest, most brilliant minds in the Marvel Universe. Having Namor on a team of "super-geniuses" is like having Fat Albert on an Olympic gymnastics team.

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Date: 2014-09-26 04:19 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] umbrall
I got mixed feelings about this. There are some things I really like.

The Imperial Guard shows up and is all "DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ESCAPE!" And then its all "I want to stress how sensitive or shields are..."

And then there is "Turns out when you set up your evil organization as a business, you are vulnerable to hostile takeover.." Bobby bought AIM and claned out the upper management! Awesome!

I never thought he was that level rich, but its too awesome to nitpick. Maybe he leveraged the buyout.

On the other hand everything to do with the Illuminati is BOOO! (Except Hank McCoy being far more of a wanted man that Scott Summers)

The art...they are clearly using the old New Mutants visuals for Booby and Sam.
From when Sam was a gangly 17 year old and Bobby a shorter but more evenly developed 15-year old. Doesn't work for people who are into their twenties. But at least there was an attempt and Bobby is appropriatly black.

On the Cabal...I don't get it. Thanos can plow through the defenders of an earth about like the 616. Terrax is a herald, although not up to taking out Black Bolt level opposition. The rest of them...Namor can take the Hulk, Maximus is a respectable telepath, but way below Xavier. The rest gets humiliated by Balck Panther.

How do they keep winning?

Is every other earth below 616 in power? At some point there is going to be an earth where the Jean Grey Phoenix is still active, Odin joined the Avengers, Franklin Richards is an adult, Kevin McTaggart posseses the Watcher or there are other creatures that can blink the Cabal out of existence. Their continus winning streches my suspension of disbelief.

Date: 2014-09-26 04:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] draganoche
They also have a machine that can be used to not only remotely observe the world and its heroes but also see into the future when the incursion occurs which is a huge advantage regardless of how powerful the inhabitants are.

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Date: 2014-09-26 06:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pwiggins
Re: Captain Britain as part of the Illuminati: logically, shouldn't the Captain Britain Corps (and Roma) have been among the first to try and do something about the incursions from the beginning? Isn't protecting the multiverse sort of their mandate?

So, Cannonball and Smasher are living together and have a kid? Meh... I'm not feeling it. There just isn't the build-up, or the history, therefore, there's no emotional weight (also I'm a longtime Sam-Rahne shipper, so ARRRGHDAMNYOUHICKMAN ).

Makes my day to see that Hank McCoy's among those on the Most Wanted list. That furry blue hypocrite has had this coming for a while now.
Edited Date: 2014-09-26 06:25 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-09-26 06:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] umbrall
It was always going to be Sam and Rahne in the end. But shes had a kid out of wedlock too, so she'll understand.

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Date: 2014-09-26 08:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
So more characters for the asshole club plot line to ruin. I mean seriously so far every character who becomes a member of the Illuminati ends up a gigantic asshole.

I mean a think tank to work together and solve problems could ahve been a good thing if it wasn't made up of secretive hypocritical assholes who think they know best.

Date: 2014-09-26 09:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] drtechnobabel
Yeah, that doesn't make sense to me, either. I mean, I can kind of understand them not wanting to get swept up in the manhunt for Tony when there's a much greater issue at the moment, but I don't see why it's either 'help Cap find Tony at the expense of everything else' or 'join the Illuminati'. Cho and Captain Britain should've made their own group to deal with the incursion problem, not get roped up in the Illuminati.

Date: 2014-09-27 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] night4345
Hank Pym, what are you doing here? Go back to Avengers: AI or hey, your students are still missing right? Go find them! Please just stay out of this mess.
Damn you Marvel!

Date: 2014-09-27 04:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
Avengers Undercover is over.

Date: 2014-09-27 02:44 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] flint_marko
isn't this from #35, which came out this month?

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Date: 2014-09-27 04:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] jaxjyls
I'm all for the Illuminati getting what they deserve, but why do they have to drag Adamous Cho and Hank Pym down to their level

Date: 2014-09-27 03:50 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Honestly, all the scenes but the last one on with Amadeus Cho are pretty standard flash forward changes. "This one has a kid! These two are in space! These two are getting daydrunk on a mountain!" I actually kind of like the Thor/Hyperion stuff; they've got a good dynamic and Hyperion looks much less bland with a beard.

The only one that gives me pause is the Amadeus Cho stuff. It looks like Hickman is positioning the Illuminati as somehow the underdogs now, trying to save a world too stupid to just let the smart men make the hard decisions, which doesn't quite work here without any buildup to the idea and is an idea that I'm frankly pretty leery of to start with. Additionally, while the Avengers being part of SHIELD and Hawkeye and Captain Marvel running around in their little "tactical" black and white outfits, and Sue Storm wearing a big dumb helmet and hunting Reed Richards might be fine for a flash forward, it just seems like it'd be dreary and boring to actually read as the status quo for any extended period of time.

I picked this up hoping to see if Hickman was going in a direction interesting to me, and it just did nothing for me. Hickman's Avengers stuff remains Not Comics I Want To Read, and I actively regret spending money on this.
Edited Date: 2014-09-27 03:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-09-27 11:47 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] remial
wait, Marvel comics has a Bleed now as well? when did that happen?

Date: 2014-09-28 01:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
The moment Hickman decided to lift the concept for his dubious quality epic.

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