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'Old Man Logan' is considered to be a magnum opus of sorts for Wolverine to the point that Hugh Jackman has said he'd like to adapt it someday. It takes place in a dystopian future in which the villains have won and Wolverine has refused to pop his claws.

Warning: This is pretty gory.

It starts with #66...

Logan is now trying to raise a family at an old farm but they're low on money.

Logan says there's no such thing as superheroes and asks her to pass the bread rolls.

Bruce Banner's grandchildren arrive the next day. They're expecting rent.

Logan pops his claws and skewers them but it turns out to be just a daydream.

"Double next month or everyone dies."

Hawkeye tells him he has a business proposition for Logan a delivery job. Logan asks if it's illegal, and Hawkeye asks him if an old Avenger like him would ever break the law.


They ride off a cliff.

That night they're attacked by a gang of 'Ghost Riders' but Logan refuses to raise his hands.

In Hammer Falls, Nevada (called for Thor's hammer which is a tourist attraction). Hawkeye takes Logan to see Tonya, his third ex-wife and Peter Parker's youngest daughter.

#68, they go to rescue her from the new Kingpin.

#69, Logan comes to the rescue.

Some other guys start a fight with them and Logan almost pops his claws but stops himself.


Fifty years ago, the Xavier Mansion is attacked by a group of organized supervillains.

It turns out the whole thing was an illusion by Mysterio to goad him into murdering the X-Men.

Wolverine is broken and wanders through the woods, wanting to punish himself. He waits for a freight train. 

At this point in the story, Hawkeye tells him that a train couldn't kill him with his healing factor.

"No, but it hurt... An' sometimes, that's enough."

To be continued...

Date: 2015-05-11 11:49 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
This series is something of a mixed bag for me. Cool ideas, and the reason why Wolverine doesn't pop his claws is damn near perfect, but him popping them again is rushed at best, and some of the characterizations, particularly with the Hulks, are pretty paper thin. Still glad this is getting a Secret Wars tie-in, though.

Date: 2015-05-12 12:23 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lordultimus
To be fair, we never actually see Magneto. For all we know he was pressured into it or saw it as the only pragmatic option.

As for the Hulk, well, considering that the only other time I've seen Millar write a version of the character is in Ultimates, where he's basically a non-hillbilly version of this Hulk, I get the feeling that he doesn't particularly like the character.

Date: 2015-05-12 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] deh_tommy
Well, on some level the Hulk can be and enjoy being evil, or at least morally contrarian (the Maestro comes to mind).

Date: 2015-05-12 11:58 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pwiggins
Maestro is a far superior example of a corrupted Hulk, in concept and execution; Hulk has always had some less-than-desirable traits and inclinations going all the way back to when he was first created, which PAD recognised and built on. Maestro is a frighteningly plausible and logical example of what the Hulk could turn into once pushed past the breaking point, and his reasons for going evil make him tragic and compelling despite - and even because of -the fact that he really has become the monster the world has pushed him to be all these years. OML Hulk, though... yeah, that's Millar being !EDGY! It's just plain unpleasant and sickening (The things Maestro does in the original Future Imperfect and other stories he turns up in are unpleasant and sickening too - keeping a harem of sex-slaves, killing anybody who even slightly displeases him and putting their bodies on display, sending one of his slaves to do... something to an unwilling and temporarily-paralysed Hulk, and kidnapping Bruce and Betty's newborn baby in the out-of-canon novel What Savage Beast - but at least they're handled with appropriate gravity and not in !Millar-style). Also... "Spider-Bitch". FFS...
Edited Date: 2015-05-12 12:09 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-05-12 12:11 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
Cruel Crime Boss Hulk has potential as the motivating villain of the piece, like an older, more twisted Joe Fixit. But then they threw in the 'raped She-hulk to make a family of monsters', and, for me at least, it just goes that little bit too far. Instead of being interested in the concept, it pulled me out of the story.

Date: 2015-05-12 01:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pwiggins
That's Millar for you; his concepts are intriguing, but more often than not the execution is shoddy. Take Ashley Barton -- a alterniverse story where one of Peter Parker's offspring/descendents rejects the whole "power-and-responsibility" mantra could make for compelling reading if said descendent was fleshed out and their reasoning was explored. Here, all we know about Ashley is that she's Spider-Man's granddaughter/Hawkeye'sdaughter and that she's a captive. Then, once freed, she reveals that "SURPRISE!!! - I'm, like, EVIL! And EDGY! Because, I'm, like, Spider-Man's granddaughter but I'm EVIL! AND EDGY!" proclaims herself the new Kingpin, and goes to stave in her own dad's head, whilst we the audience are supposed to be awestruck. Also, her moniker is "Spider-Bitch", because, you see, she's Spider-Man's granddaughter, but she's evil. And, also, EDGY! Oh, and lets not forget the incestuous-cannibal-redneck Hulks. Because OMG you guys you need to check out this guy Millar. His stuff's the greatest thing EVAR because it's cool and outrageous and EDGY and all the characters talk like that snarkiest self-satisfied dick you ever wanted to push face-first through a cattle grid after five minutes in their company and do !SHOCKING! grotesque and violent things to one other because it's all so hard-hitting and mature and EDGYYYYYYY!
Edited Date: 2015-05-12 01:34 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-05-13 12:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] junipepper
This comment is highly entertaining. And right on the mark.

Date: 2015-05-12 02:26 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lilacsigil
Yeah, I can see it as a fairly OTT scenario like most What Ifs are, but it just got so silly I can't see why anyone wants to have anything more to do with it. Then again, movies made from Millar comics are usually very different and much better than the source.

Date: 2015-05-12 12:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alschroeder3
Thanks for this. Never read it,although I've heard about it. The bit where Wolverine wakes up from the illusion and sees who he killed...pretty horrific stuff.

Date: 2015-05-12 01:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ozaline
What would be impressive is if Jackman could get them to shoot the flashback now with his fellow X-men writers then film the rest of this 20 years down the road.

Of course, that'd never happen.

Date: 2015-05-12 01:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] squirle
X-Men meets Boyhood. Would be pretty impressive :P

Date: 2015-05-12 02:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] informationgeek
I'm mixed on this series. On one hand, there's some good stuff, especially character-wise with Logan. On the other... not impressed with what Millar did to She-Hulk.

Oh well, I'm pretty curious in the new book coming since it at least has one of my new favorite artists working on it, Andrea Sorrentino.

Date: 2015-05-12 02:33 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] baihu
The story was cool as a What-If, but the way Hulk's turned into a literal boogeyman and a redneck of all things, I never understood why people were that enamored with the story. Wolverine was pretty awesome, but at the expense of everyone else being either dead or just being not themselves.

Date: 2015-05-12 09:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tugrul
I have issues with parts of this story as well, but the Hulk turning bad not so much, since his personality has been shown to change often when exposed to different energies or his state of being with or without Banner.

Date: 2015-05-12 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] doodleboy
Mark Millar really likes Unforgiven.

Date: 2015-05-12 03:31 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tigerkaya
Great art, nice use of Mysterio, but really a dull played out story of post apocalyptic tales.

Date: 2015-05-12 05:40 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Yeah, there's some interesting stuff in here, but every time the story could possibly rise up to the sort of thing it's aspiring to - which is clearly Unforgiven - those giant Millarisms (since he's so fond of naming things after himself) come creeping back in. Ashley Barton is pretty blatantly a Millar character (I know she's HIS character and all, but does she really need to wade over the line into being abhorrent enough to off her old man?), and that's to say nothing of what he did to Banner and Jen Walters.

Also, I know Millar loves to oversell Logan, but I refuse to believe there's any way he could take down ALL of the X-Men.

Date: 2015-05-12 06:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
Which still doesn't add up - they know he'll heal, and it's not like any one of the numerous telepaths or telekinetics couldn't subdue him, or a teleporter couldn't, say, dump him in the Danger Room and seal it off. The only way it remotely makes sense is if they were dumb enough to dogpile him all at once, or they were dumb enough to form an orderly line and walk to their deaths, or if they sat there like seals waiting to be clubbed.

But then this isn't the first time Millar's done this, I guess. The end of the first half of his earlier Wolverine run had nearly the exact same thing happen.

Date: 2015-05-12 07:14 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] beeyo
It just occurred to me that, essentially, Wolverine fought Jubilee for 90 minutes before he could kill her.

I'm not much of a Marvel buff, so the only things I know about Jubilee are from the cartoon and she was a vampire that one time.
Is there some Jubilee skill set I don't know about that would allow her to go toe to toe with Logan for an hour and a half?

Date: 2015-05-12 08:34 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] baihu
I'm pulling from really old stories here, but since Jubilee was sorta trained by Wolverine, I'm guessing she's able to dodge his moves better?
Edited Date: 2015-05-12 11:01 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-05-12 08:51 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
No that makes no sense because if writers ever remembered what Jubilee could actually do then they'd know she'd either lay him out early or he'd kill her while she was holding back.

Seriously read Jubilee's first appearances some time. Her power was shown to potentially be very destructive but she held back a lot. In one of her first appearances she was blowing cyborg dog creatures apart.

Not to mention the time she freaked out and blew up a city block in Madripoor that scared her.

Of course then x-tas happened and from then on Jubilee was treated as a joke character by most writers and was stuck as the permanent teenager. (I mean seriously she managed to stay a teen through at least three teams of teen characters hitting adulthood)

Date: 2015-05-12 08:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] obsidianwolf
The most irritating thing is Mastermind has pulled that trick before and Wolverine went down quick. (The time he made all the X-men think Cyclops was dark Phoenix) for instance.

But like all what ifs where plot A has to happen for plot B to exist some how this time Wolverine managed to beat a team several single members could easily beat him.

Date: 2015-05-12 09:03 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
I use the theory that Wolverine wasn't the only X-man there Mysterio was messing with. It's just that he was the only one left standing when the fight was over.

Date: 2015-05-12 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] norj
So no one cares about Barton impregnating Spider-man's youngest daughter.

Date: 2015-05-12 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] matrix_dragon
It tends to get overshadowed by the Hulks, doesn't it? But even with wishful thinking, the ages do get worrying.

Date: 2015-05-14 01:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
Yeah, that always struck me as weird. Like, Hawkeye's a solid decade older than Spider-Man, so Spidey's youngest kid would have to be at least 30 years his junior.

It's just kind of an odd choice, like why not make Spider-Bitch (ugh) Hawkeye's granddaughter?

Date: 2015-05-12 12:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
Someone else above said the X-Men would find a way to seal Wolverine a way or trick him or even break the illusion. My problem is more about the illusion itself. Wolverine has several enhanced senses, so wouldn't he be able to hear or smell through Mysterio's tricks? They're all optical illusions, after all.

It's a powerful moment, but it just doesn't work when you stop and think about it for even a second. Then again, you can say that about most of Millar's work.

Date: 2015-05-12 01:05 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dr_archeville
Audio effects are as important as visual effects in a movie, so I can easily see Beck being equally skilled at those. For Logan's other senses... maybe he borrowed some of the Spider-Sense-negator gas from Osborn, and they tweaked it so it would scramble Logan's olfactory senses?

Date: 2015-05-13 02:30 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] donnblake
As mentioned below, Mysterio was able to pretty well screw with Daredevil's head, and, with maybe the exception of scent (I don't recall the two ever getting in a bloodhound contest), anything Logan can do, Matt can do better in terms of enhanced senses. (Also except sight, I guess, 'cause, you know.)

Date: 2015-05-15 08:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] skemono
with maybe the exception of scent (I don't recall the two ever getting in a bloodhound contest), anything Logan can do, Matt can do better in terms of enhanced senses.

In Infinity War they had a scene where Wolverine smelled some impostors that Daredevil didn't, and Matt was shocked at the thought that Logan had a better nose than him.

Date: 2015-05-12 02:07 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] ronwar
This is why Spidey usually takes Mysterio. He would wreck almost all other superheroes.

Date: 2015-05-12 02:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] pwiggins
That's a pretty big claim, but yeah, when Mysterio is properly motivated he can cause some serious havoc (assuming that's Quentin Beck, the original Mysterio). During Kevin Smith's Daredevil run, he nearly drove Matt insane by convincing him that he was being tormented by the demons of Hell (and almost drove him to murder a baby under the belief that she was the Antichrist), manipulated Foggy Nelson into cheating on his girlfriend and set him him up for the murder of the other woman, and convinced Karen Page that she was HIV-positive after her time as a porn star (and indirectly set in motion the events that led to her murder by Bullseye). He's not in the top tier of villains but he could potentially be a much bigger threat if he set his sights higher.
Edited Date: 2015-05-12 03:19 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-05-12 05:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starwolf_oakley
Guardian Devil is why I just dont think the current Mysterio is Quentin Beck.
Matt Murdock would not give Quentin a pass on the events of Guardian Devil if he was still alive. He just wouldn't.

Date: 2015-05-14 01:39 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] silverhammerman
I don't know about taking *most* other heroes, but I do always enjoy it when Spider-Man turns out to be pretty hardcore. There's a scene in the original Secret Wars where he takes on and defeats all of the X-Men, though admittedly it was brief fight, and it took place before years of power creep for characters like Wolverine.

I mean, when you think about it, Spider-Man's been fighting superhumans since the time he was fifteen, and his power set; stronger than anyone whose main power isn't super strength, quicker than anyone who's main power isn't superspeed, his spider-sense, and his webshooters, it makes sense that he could throw down with the best of them if he had to.

Date: 2015-05-12 10:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tugrul
I believe you numbered #68 as #69. Right now it jumps from #67 to #69 and then two issues are listed as #70.

Date: 2015-05-13 03:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sarahnewlin
You forgot a tag for Psylocke! :)

Date: 2015-05-13 04:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] erikred
Mysterio's at least got the history with Wolverine to pull off the pivotal event. The problem comes with what happens after: yes, Wolverine would blame himself; yes, he would want to die; but first he would want to kill anyone involved in the incident.

Instead, we get Wolverine as Clint Eastwood in Unforgiven, without ever getting a redeeming moment.



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