Date: 2015-07-11 12:04 am (UTC)
trooper924: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trooper924
That's how Gordon looks now? Sheesh. I thought losing the mustache was bad, but it turns out it was just the tip of the iceberg.

It was even commented on

Date: 2015-07-11 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] chortles81
He thought it was a high and tight, but another former Marine told he that he shouldn't have done the haircut himself... and the penciling in Batgirl made him look just as awkward.

Re: It was even commented on

Date: 2015-07-11 03:10 am (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Oh, I loved Bab's reaction to that in that Batgirl issue. Will post soon.
Edited Date: 2015-07-11 03:13 am (UTC)

Re: It was even commented on

Date: 2015-07-11 07:40 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
It's actually addressed in the FCBD issue with Powers saying it.

Looks at Gordon.

Date: 2015-07-11 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] 7dialsmystery
"Jesus Christ! W-T-Double Hockey Sticks!?"

Date: 2015-07-11 12:43 am (UTC)
lucean: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lucean
I am actually really intrigued by this direction with Bruce. It was clear that he was coming back as Batman and that Gordon thing was going to be temporary, so to have this mystery there just adds a lot to the story.

What I actually like about this is that Snyder has made it clear that to him Batman is a tragedy. So here, we see Bruce, probably unaware for reasons that he was Batman, actually living a good life, which if built correctly is going to just be that much more tragic when he becomes the Bat again.

Date: 2015-07-11 01:58 am (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Yeah, he seems content here. Really hope this doesn't blow up in his face early and he has to go back to the Bat.
From: [personal profile] chortles81
We've seen the concluding issue thereof on S_D, but I remember Alfred being absolutely crushed when Batman's memories and decision-making came back because he'd lost Bruce again.

Date: 2015-07-11 02:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lucean
I also hope that they play this out, because the story potential here is gold and, to me, this is a really novel way, if done correctly, to drive home that being Batman is a sacrifice.

It is one of the reasons why I was so irritated by Morrison referring to Batman being wish-fulfillment, as one of the truly great things a lot of great writers have managed to done with Batman is to establish that as awesome as he is, no sane person would want to be him.

Date: 2015-07-11 05:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] laughing_tree
But wish fulfillment isn't just a matter of what you'd want to happen in real life. A lot of forms of wish fulfillment in fiction, in fact, are tied to events that are horrible and nobody would really want to happen to them.

Take zombie apocalypses, for example. Nobody wants that, but stories of that sort often do have that wish fulfillment component of starting fresh, losing all the sad baggage of your life and getting to restart as a bad-ass survivalist.

Wish fulfillment isn't "I'd want this to happen to me." It's "reading this story allows me to vicariously live the cool parts of this without having to actually deal with the tragic, miserable parts," and it often happens below the conscious level for the reader.

Date: 2015-07-11 05:28 am (UTC)
lucean: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lucean
The zombie apocalypse comparison is a bad one for me, since all the wish fulfilments related to that always mean that you are among the survivors in this cataclysmic event. The reason the comparison is problematic for me is that even after the death of the parents, the normal world continued on going forward, it does not collapse nor is the very nature of civilization challenged.

I do think, however, that I understand your greater point and it might be similar to what Morrison was saying, but I also feel it misses an important nuance. As you wrote, Batman's stories can be viewed as wish-fulfilment, having this lone dedicated warrior waging war on the injustices of the world, but the best stories always also carry that tragic, miserable parts and it is at the heart of the character of itself. So while I agree that Batman stories themselves can often be viewed as wish fulfillment, although several of them actually challenge even that, the character should not be viewed as such as at the heart of it, Batman is a story of tragedy.

It's similar to the Count of Monte Cristo in the sense that in that also we can argue that the act of vengeance upon those who wronged us can be viewed as wish-fulfillment, it does not change the fact that the Count himself was consumed by his lust for vengeance.

Date: 2015-07-11 07:43 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mrstatham
This. I know the movie gets dumped on (and like it's sequel, for some reasons rightly so), but that was one of the things I loved about Batman '89; When Vicki points out that being Batman isn't exactly the sane thing to do, he points out that it's not exactly a sane world out there. And the scene where he goes to Vicki's apartment to confess how he feels is really interesting, because to me, Keaton's Bruce wanted an ordinary life, at some point, but was unsure of how to do it, and was conflicted between that and his duties. But then I thought there were a lot of good little character moments for Keaton's Bruce, like his lack of understanding of how to actually be a rich guy at a fundraiser he's organised.

Date: 2015-07-11 07:41 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] darkknightjrk
Huh, I hadn't thought of memory loss, I thought he was legitimately going to try to have a normal life. Not sure which idea I like more, now...

Date: 2015-07-11 01:47 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] alschroeder3
I would love for Clark/Superman---even the new crewcut action hero one--to meet Bruce, raise his hand and open his mouth as if he's going to tell him everything---and then realize that Bruce is happier than he's ever seen him, and resolutely shut up. That for Bruce, for once, ignorance IS bliss...and he won't re-wound his friend.

Nice little mystery. How could Julie Madison and Duke Thomas, both of whom who met Bruce before, not realize he's --the missing billionaire? If they know, why are they keeping quiet about it? Why is Bruce in quotes? If they think he's just a nut who calls himself Bruce Wayne--why don't they recognize their friend? Are they afraid his mental state is precarious (he obviously has amnesia) and called in Gordon to break it to him?

Still, the idea of Jim Gordon saying to Bruce Wayne, "I'm Batman..."

Nicely done.
Edited Date: 2015-07-11 01:52 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-07-11 03:17 am (UTC)
zapbiffpow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] zapbiffpow
Those are also questions I'm curious to read about. The last time Bruce died, they even had a corpse and it still turned out that Batman was alive.

"That for Bruce, for once, ignorance IS bliss...and he won't re-wound his friend."


Date: 2015-07-11 02:23 am (UTC)
sir_razorback: (Default)
From: [personal profile] sir_razorback
Wait.... that's supposed to be Jim Gordon? Did the artist misread the panel notes and draw in Guy Gardner by mistake?

He previously shaved them off

Date: 2015-07-11 02:35 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] chortles81
Which was mocked in-universe to boot, though I'm not sure how many of GCPD are aware that the former Commissioner is under the cowl.

Date: 2015-07-11 03:14 am (UTC)
reveen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] reveen
What is it that General Ross said to Deadpool? "I look better naked than you do, boy."

Date: 2015-07-11 07:46 am (UTC)
captainbellman: It Was A Boojum... (Default)
From: [personal profile] captainbellman
I thought it was very decent of The Venture Bros to finally put us all out of our misery and include a Red Hulk with a rockin' must ache in their latest special.

Date: 2015-07-11 02:26 am (UTC)
thatnickguy: Oreo-lovin' Martian (Default)
From: [personal profile] thatnickguy
What's Quentin Quire doing in a Bat-book?
Edited Date: 2015-07-11 02:26 am (UTC)

Date: 2015-07-11 02:33 am (UTC)
dcbanacek: (Default)
From: [personal profile] dcbanacek
I thought it was the retro Guy Gardener.

Date: 2015-07-11 02:53 am (UTC)
reveen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] reveen
I'd like this a bit better if Batman one day had an epiphany of his own free will and said "I'm gonna stop being an angsty violent asshole and become a sexy schoolteacher with a lumberjack beard and jeans that show off my ass".

Instead of this "his memory is wiped and he'll remember himself!" shit.

Date: 2015-07-11 04:27 am (UTC)
raspberryrain: GIF (blink)
From: [personal profile] raspberryrain
Wait, you mean that's not what happened?

Date: 2015-07-11 04:58 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] aperturedreams
We don't actually know that that's not what happened.

Date: 2015-07-11 06:10 am (UTC)
lissa_quon: (Default)
From: [personal profile] lissa_quon
And what a great job those jeans are doing too.

Date: 2015-07-11 04:28 am (UTC)
raspberryrain: "Waiting for the train" cropped and colour-shifted (rain)
From: [personal profile] raspberryrain
I really like Capullo's art here. Jim Gordon looks very odd, but other than that, very nice.

Date: 2015-07-11 03:19 pm (UTC)
bradygirl_12: (batman--robin (a bat & his little bird 2)
From: [personal profile] bradygirl_12
A little bit of the Bat there when Bruce starts demanding who are you. :)

Jim saying "I'm Batman" to Bruce is classic! :)
Edited Date: 2015-07-11 03:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2015-07-12 12:47 am (UTC)
lbd_nytetrayn: Star Force Dragonzord Power! (Default)
From: [personal profile] lbd_nytetrayn
So... Bruce Wayne is just nine-to-fiving it? And no one thinks anything of it?

Oh wait, he lost everything at some point, didn't he? Arkham Manor and all of that? Is that why?

Still surprisingly low-key responses from people, but I guess he's been around a while?


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